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Huge fan of Banksy.

Love the subversiveness.

I wish I could have visited Dismaland when it was operating.

I’m also a big fan of Massive Attack where there seems to be strong correlation with Banksy:

https://glasgowtransmission.wordpress.com/2016/08/29/banksy-...

Goldie once was in record referring to Banksy as “Robert” possibly referring to Robert Del Naja.

A framed Banksy sold at auction last year, and remotely shredded by Banksy, was just epic.

> A framed Banksy sold at auction last year, and remotely shredded by Banksy, was just epic.

And 3D was supposedly at that auction...

...remotely half-shredded due to malfunction.

Like many things it seems like an echo from the 90s nowadays though. I am being nostalgic about being nostalgic about massive attack songs at this point.

I didn't understand the appeal; the humor in Dismaland never seemed to get beyond dad jokes.

I'm a simple man. I see Banksy, I upvote. And I recommend that everyone watches Exit Through the Gift Shop

Yes. I don't think most people realize how Banksy is trolling his admirers even harder than he is 'the system'.

'Exit Through the Gift Shop' to me is autobiographical: "I'm a fake, I just do barely random stuff, put a 'message' behind it, and you people buy it! You people are such suckers, I can literally tell you I'm scamming you, and you still fall for it".

When the Balloon Girl shredding happened some people immediately start saying “those rich people suck because they think they can control revolutionary artists but they got trolled”, and then it becomes clear that the piece was actually worth more because of the shredding then other set of people start saying “those revolutionary artists suck because they think they can troll rich people but they have no control”. I think both statements have some truth in them.

Every time I see Banksy I get the “I’m 12 and this is deep” sensation, I perceive him as the Paulo Coelho of graffiti. I don’t know whether his art lays in the loop of trolling by passing his work for art, but sincerely that’s not my impression. My opinion is he is a poor artist with a simple allegorical sofistication, who is riding the wave of equally simple people who praise the bad boy who vandalise things for a good cause.

I want to spray paint some sick SSL on his homepage.

One thing I love about Banksy is the consistency of the impact. Every time I see images in succession it always feels like each image has the same impact as the last. Maybe it's because it's a maximum impact but I'm not sure... it's very consistent and it's that feeling, of professionalism, I'm more impressed with than the actual work.

I went to the banksy showcase in amsterdam. Looks like it was fake, not authorized by banksy.

I don't get how not being authorised by Banksy makes it a fake. I don't think authors need to authorise an exhibition of their work to make it "real". Btw, just outside the Moco in Amsterdam there's the van Gogh museum. Did van Gogh authorise that exhibition?

May be it was my wrong choice of words. I don't know why but while I was there, if felt as it was co-ordinated with Banksy. Knowing it was not authorized, kinda feels like they were not 100% honest.

Well, it's not your choice of words, it's Banksy's own website that calls them "fake" exhibitions. And I don't think he's right: the works are real, so the exhibition is real. Of course, once released, a work of art has a life independent of that of the author.

I liked Banksy until the day someone spray painted my girlfriend bakery delivery truck (she was store owner), and I got stuck trying to clean off the vandalism from her personal property.

Edit: just because it’s pretty doesn’t change the fact it’s vandalism.

Edit 2: to answer the question, how does my story relate to Banksy? Well, I doubt Banksy gets permission from property owners before he vandalize their property. Vandalism is vandalism - it shouldn’t be celebrated just because the vandalism is pretty.

What does that have to do with your disliking Banksy? Did he paint your girlfriend's truck?

See comment below

> Edit: just because it’s pretty doesn’t change the fact it’s vandalism.

Also, just because it's vandalism doesn't change the fact that it's pretty. You said you don't like Banksy any more, that has multiple meanings. You don't like his art, or you don't like him as a person? Because the former would be unjustified. As for the latter, you could say that Banksy (not the guy that vandalised your gf's truck) actually adds value to the objects he paints on. So maybe you should have disliked him at the beginning, but should like him now even more, as a benefactor?

Are you attributing all graffiti to Banksy? Or are you implying Banksy spray painted the truck?

Technically, if Banksy had sprayed the truck it would have become way more valuable than the bakery, after all an original Banksy you could drive around would likely value at the top end of his work.

He's saying he was OK with the idea until it directly affected him.

Does Banksy get permission to vandalize people property?

I don’t think so.

sure, but if he had vandalised the truck it would now be worth more than the business

Is that really the sort of argument we want to attribute to crime?

I am going to go out on a limb and say that the OP's truck was not spray painted by Banksy. But the person who spray painted it might have thought their efforts were artistic and even beautiful. That doesn't make it less of a crime.

On the other hand, if you don't want your truck turned into a priceless work of art without your permission, you have a right to not have that done. It is your property. Banksy, and no one else, has a right to fundamentally change it without permission.

hey man, but have you tried their muffins?!?

How would you know or prove it was Banksy?

I believe Banksy authorizes their artwork. But they do not authorize the display of it in the museums?

Vandalism is universally bad because why?

Because once the state says you have legal ownership of something it means that 1) it was always correct for you to have owned it and 2) it will always be correct no matter what!

Private property ownership is the means AND the ends!

Regardless of how you might change how property works, when you damage something you're putting the burden of repairing it on others.

That’s a fantastic argument for communal ownership! Thank you <3

Just amazing work.

What's the latest theory on who Banksy is? (My bet is that it's a small group of people).

Banksy is just one dude. But he hires people to help complete his vision, Just like most major artists these days.

This isn’t a recent thing. I’m no expert in this field but my understanding is that most of the old masters had a “studio” full of assistants and apprentices who were largely responsible for the work attributed to the artist.

Just a few days ago I was looking at a Canaletto that was really pretty rubbish. Apparently he never visited the scene of the painting - his assistants traveled, came back with sketches etc and he finished it off, apparently in a rush.

I thought it was pretty much agreed it was Robin Gunningham?

One of the guys behind the band Massive Attack: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Del_Naja

This is a popular theory but hasn't been confirmed, and the evidence for it is pretty circumstantial, right?

Correct. There's correlation with the band's tour dates and artwork popping up. Robin Gunningham is the other popular theory. Either could have been the "Rob" Goldie was referencing.

One of his earlier stunts (from 2005) was to smuggle a fake cave painting into the British Museum in London. It remained on display for three days before staff spotted it and removed it. What was the tell-tale sign it wasn't authentic?

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/7CA5/production/...

This article has a picture with the info placard for the piece:

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2018/may/16/ian-hislop-p...

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