Study: Two Monitors or One Ultrawide
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(The slight off-centring of the laptop in this diagram is also curiously realistic; early on, a couple of years ago, I had it centred; but a few weeks ago I looked closely at where it had ended up, and found that I consistently placed the laptop definitely right of centre, and favour the right-hand monitor to the left.)A few others in the company use one or more vertical screens too. Those of us who do, certainly like the increased vertical space.
Quality of window management is also going to be an important factor: of the two main OSes: Windows is good at simple window-per-screen and two-tiled-windows-per-screen arrangements; macOS is fairly weak, being more inclined to manually accomplishing it. (I’m on Windows for now, but I’m planning on trying Arch Linux, which I previously used, on my Surface Book, as it’s now probably good enough to work with. With Sway (i3 clone for Wayland), its handling of such a screen arrangement will be superb.)
It’s phenomenal for reading threads and large pages but I’m not sure it’s good for you.
The whole presumption that you want to spend 8 hours in an ergonomically ideal position without motion seems like bunk. Indeed, I find changing positions to be much more ergonomically valuable than having an ideal position. If I spend 30 minutes each across 16 awkward positions, I do just fine. An ergonomic chair, mechanical keyboard, perfect-height monitor, etc. for an 8 hour stretch each day hits me much harder.
That’s because it is bunk. Low back pain researchers found ages ago that the most ergonomic setup for alleviating back pain was the one that let you shift positions every 15 minutes or so. There is no position so ergonomic that the body can tolerate holding it for extended periods of time.
I have fairly aggressive progressive trifocals, and don't have problems with my 27" portrait monitors. I just angle them so the top tilts toward me.
I much preferred my portrait 4:3 1600x1200 (as 3:4) monitor a decade ago. Was close to perfect since there was room for two long windows side by side.
I've wondered if 16:10 might be good also. But as mentioned, those choices were eliminated in the "great widescreening" of the 2010s.
Each year my company's HR department brings in ergonomics experts who watch each employee work, and they make suggestions (This employee needs a new chair... this employee's keyboard is at the wrong angle... this employee sits too low and his feet aren't on the floor right... etc...)
The last time they came through, they voiced no objections to my portrait monitors.
But I’m with you on the resolution matter. My external displays are nowhere near as pleasant to read from and use as my internal display—yet it was I that chose the two rather than one 5K or similar display. Bear in mind too, especially when dealing with laptops, that that not all hardware will be capable of driving multiple high-DPI displays. If I recall correctly, two 4K displays is supported by the Surface Book + Surface Dock, but only at 30fps. (I have the vague, unfounded impression that most laptops wouldn’t support it at all.)
For eye health, have the monitors backing a window (or 20+ feet of empty space), so that you can periodically (at least every 20 minutes) look past the monitors at an "infinite" plane.
Love it. Have my focus app in the middle, e.g. Code or Visual Studio. One side screen can have e.g. Sublime Merge, and the other a browser for testing, or a few terminals.
* Center - main focus of work (normally an IDE) * Left - Documentation * Right - Browser/Simulator * Mac - Slack/Chat/Email/Calender
All through USBC daisy chaining? I have three display ports on a 1080TI, but it's fascinating to see how much flexibility Type C allows.
It’s last update is a bit buggy, but it’s great
It really only makes sense on large screens though. If you spend a lot of time on the laptop screen overlapping windows + spectacle is better.
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Two portrait, one landscape (actually all the same size, which i couldn't be bothered to do in the diagram, sorry); one window maximised on the landscape, and each portrait tiled with two windows.It's usually the IDE or a spreadsheet in the middle, email or Slack bottom left, market data top left, monitoring/CI top right, and terminals bottom right. Quite often i split the middle landscape monitor too, with an editor in the left half and docs in the right half, or editor left and gnuplot right.
To be honest, the density value is low; this is definitely a case of screen sprawl. Having my email always up does not help productivity, having Slack always up is even worse, i rarely look at the market data (at the moment), and CI and monitoring could be a panel icon and some notifications rather than half a screen.
But then, i find looking at the upper half of the portrait screens a bit uncomfortable, so it makes some sense to use them for information that i don't look at all the time, but is really handy to have occasional fast access to.
Maybe i should try this:
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Use the left for docs/spreadsheets/plots, middle for the IDE, top right for monitoring/CI/market data, bottom right for terminals.I may have docs or a search window on one monitor and the IDE in another but I'll completely log out of anything social (including email).
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I have 3x 39" 4K TV's as my monitors. As Shown in the above, I use them as the equivlant of 6x ultra-talls.I use windows. If you do, you can choose this layout quickly: hit Win+<Arrow Key> to adjust the layout of your current window and/or move them from screen to screen.
Honestly I'm a bit surprised people don't do this more. (I do coding all day long) You can get the TV's for about USD$300 each. 3x is a bit overboard I admit, but 2x is really, really awesome and it's distressing trying to code on my laptop anymore.
I like to sum up this debate like this:
With multiple monitors, you're confined into smaller, "hard-coded" boxes that can't be changed. With a single large screen you have much more flexibility.
I've also found that such extra complexity impacts productivity negatively. It's an unnecessary distraction trying to communicate such complicated layouts.
I think for programming the 2560/1600 = 1920/1200 = 1.6 or the 3000/2000 = 1.5 ratio is a reasonable middle ground. Unfortunately it's not a common ratio among big but cheap monitors...
The extra head movement required to look into the corners of a 27" or even a 25" vertical monitor definitely puts a little strain on my neck compared to a 25" horizontal one, but with frequent posture changes and breaks, while a bit tiring, I don't feel it caused any permanent damage.
At least I hope it's not the reason why the middle of my upper back feels like falling apart any minute... Maybe that thai massage, when a lady was walking on my back for half an hour was a bit too much? :D
Also, where do you get 39" 4K for $300!?
TVs have moved on a lot in the past 3-4 years. The most difficult part about 39" TVs is finding something that small.
I use a single 40" 4K monitor (not a TV but only by lack of a tuner) and that's about 30" from my face most of the time. That's too big. I often neglect vertical space because it involves moving my neck.
But three of these things is over 8 foot of vertical space. That's ridiculous.
it's only about 2' of vertical space, but 8' of horizontal, so I have them laid out in a semi-circle.
I have 39" seiki TV's, all about 4 years old now. As one of the other posters mentioned, it actually seems rare to find any 4K TV that small any more. But a brief search on amazon shows you can still get stuff in that price range, but Seiki seems to be gone :(
At three foot, you have a circumference of 18foot. The idea of almost 180° of monitors still unsettles me. That's beyond neck work, that's practically into separate workspaces. If you're looking at the left side of Monitor 1, Monitor 3 is physically out of —even peripheral— eyeline.
I don't know why I'm flapping on about it. If it works for you, that's great.
Using the 3rd requires me to twist my upper body a bit uncomfortably. as a result I find that I tend to keep it dedicated to little used apps, like email and sourcetree (a git gui)
1) Input lag. A mouse 200+ms behind is frustrating to work with.
2) Color space. I forget the terms off hand, but basically if the panel has poor colour space / bit depth / whatever, fonts start looking really bad.
Maybe you lucked out or just don't notice/care about these, but that's one of the core reasons people don't use TVs.
I'm quite tempted to get a large good one though.
For coding purposes I don't think color accuracy matters much, but I see why latency might annoy some people, though it doesn't bother me.
probably could do that on the samsungs too, burried in the menus somewhere.
You're referring to chroma subsampling. Rtings does a review of 4k TVs that support 4:4:4 chroma.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/best/by-usage/pc-monitor
This page also has a link to their subsampling article.
Magnet (http://magnet.crowdcafe.com/) costs 1 USD, but it provides mouse control via snapping at the display edges and it's also tiny (6MB). Its default keybindings does NOT clash with most apps. They are logical, hence memorable. They are easy to press too.
In fact I invented the same shortcuts and I was always changing the Spectacle defaults to them on every installation, which was tedious... With Magnet I don't have to fiddle at all.
I used xmonad on NixOS and I quite like it, but in any tiling wm on macOS I tried, I hit some issues within 5-10 minutes.
To be fair IntelliJ didn't work with xmonad out of the box either. I had to set some strange `startupHook = setWMName "LG3D"` Source: https://wiki.haskell.org/Xmonad/Frequently_asked_questions#P...
One thing to watch out for if you install two vertical side by side monitors is that many monitors (especially gaming monitors) are optimized to be watched horizontally.
That sounds weird, so let me explain:
LCD's have a sort of a "field of view": if your watch them straight (at 90 degrees), the amount of light reaching your eyes is maximum. If you look at them sideways (eg 45 degrees), the amount of light that reaches your eyes decreases (this typically happens when you look at a co-worker screen while sitting next to them).
Good LCD's have a wide field of view: you can look at them from the side and still see a good image.
But the expectation is that you will watch them from the side, not from above or below, and manufacturers have taken advantage of that fact: they optimize for a wide horizontal field of view, but the vertical field of view is, on some monitors, terrible.
It does not matter unless you mount the monitors vertically, in which case the vertical FOV becomes your horizontal FOV, and you might not even see the image on the outer edges of the monitors.
It's helps with coding, too, but scrolling is still usually necessary there.
macOS is fairly weak, being more inclined to manually accomplishing it.
MacOS is good for doing it horizontally, but you're right — there should be a mechanism for vertical tiling on portrait displays in macOS.
I found the SwitchResX app [1] to be really useful for switching to portrait mode on macOS. I have a 2017 13" MacBook Pro and that app made it possible to use the 27" LG UltraFine 5K display in portrait mode. I also use Spectacle [2] for moving windows around with the keyboard.
At home I use a MacBook with a 22” retina I bought at the Apple store, the external monitor place directly above the laptop. I rarely do video or photo editing, but I spend a lot of time writing books and also programming. This is plenty of space for me. This is not a matter of money: 6 months after I bought this monitor for my home use, I started working at a large financial services company; I could choose any monitor(s) I wanted and I chose exactly what I have at home.
I don’t multi-task, especially in my home office. I like having just what I need for my current task visible.
I bought a System76 Oryx Pro last fall with a 16” 4K display and I find the screen size so adequate to my development needs (I use that laptop just for machine learning, it has a 1070 GPU) that I don’t even bother hooking it up to an external monitor.
I have spent so many years working on remote servers in a few SSH shell windows. This might affect the setup I chose for all-local development and writing.
EDIT: corrected second sentence
There is little benefit in multiple monitors for Office work (Excel, word, etc). Server admins have some benefits for multimonitors.. i.e keeping documentation open while you're on the server etc.
Especially if the Excel rows arent too wide
GUI development gets massive value from multiple monitors. Nothing beats having the application open and visible while you're changing the code.
It gets even more important if you're a full stack developer, which has several terminals open to keep track of logs, a browser for the webpage you're modifying and the editor for changes.
Same here, I dont like to "sit" in a position where my head is turned because it can hurt my neck.
Same here, that's why I have one of my desktop monitors (~22") above the other. At work, I used a similar setup with my ThinkPad in a docking station as the lower screen, but then again you get the small screen penalty ;-)
The mouse that I have lets me remap the buttons, so I have two of them mapped to "switch left" (like a three-finger swipe) and "switch right." I find that that is pretty nice for me.
I'm easily distracted so I want to keep as few windows in view as possible.
I keep a book and a guitar near my desk and rather than jump to Reddit or HN when I'm rebuilding, I'll read a few pages, play some scales, or go make some tea.
This is all also really dependent on the applications you run. I'm personally stuck running a CRM and remote control programs that open new windows for everything. 1 large high-resolution display + heavy use of macOS workspace seems like the best way to deal with it, though my colleagues all prefer 2 displays. Anecdotal observation indicates that none of us can easily find the window we were just looking at once we move away from it, so I think the window manager needs work too.
The 27/30" inch monitors that are only 1080 make no sense to me. Maybe if you have really bad vision. I love my LG 4K and would like a 27" 5K but they're expensive. The text is so sharp on those things.
But, for a 21" monitor that is only 1080, if you're using multiple ones, you can sit back far enough away to be able to see 4 of them and not have the text unreadably small.
The younger guys at work like 25" 2560x1440 monitors and just run 8 point fonts, my vision was never very good so I could never use that for more than a few minutes. I'm using a pair of 27" monitors but I do end up turning my head a lot. I'd like to try a 3840x1440 screen.
We have a couple Steelcase 'collaboration tables', some with 1 40-something inch TV and some with 2 slightly smaller ones. They basically look like this:
https://images.steelcase.com/image/upload/v1415376898/www.st...
They are very nice to use for a few hours. My theory is that with the screen being 3-4 feet away from your eyes, your eyes are very relaxed. Watching TV vs reading a book.
This is despite the fact that they are only 1080 resolution. I'm sure we could stick 4K screens in there but I'm not sure how much more useful the resolution would be at 40".
edit: Ensure 60Hz or higher refresh rate. This should be true if the TV is a good brand.
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I'm so used to being able to distribute 'tasks' and workflow to specific monitors that I struggle terribly, to the point of giving up in frustration, when having to use a single display for anything other than casual or single application use.I use a combination of head movement and rotating the chair depending on task.
The outstanding benefit is to have multiple applications and documents open and readable simultaneously, just as I would with multiple physical reference books.
An added benefit is having the same 'book' (document) open at different 'pages' on different monitors - and not need to flick back and forward between 'pages' or tabs.
This is using GNU/Linux Xorg server with 4 X sessions.
[1] Dell XPS with ExpressCard -> PCIe ViDock extender containing an Nvidia NVS420 driving 4 monitors, the laptop panel, and an HDMI connection, all 1920x1200.
However, it does make remote sys-admin safer too in that I can assign remote hosts to specific monitors - avoids the risk of accidentally issuing commands to the wrong target!
[1] http://iam.tj/projects/misc/workstation-6-monitor.jpg [2] http://iam.tj/projects/misc/xorg.XPS-NVS420-6monitor.conf
1. You can orient them independently.
2. You can position them in ways that are more suitable to your environment. For example if you wanted a small gap in the middle to fit an eye level web cam, you can do that.
3. If you put them flush together, 2x 24" inch monitors has roughly the same head movement requirements as a single 48" monitor.
4. 2 monitors gives you the option to do a GPU pass through VM which is extremely useful in some cases (running native Linux but wanting native Windows performance for certain apps without dual booting).
5. It's usually easier to manage multiple applications using native window snapping tools. It's also easier to ignore a 2nd monitor vs the 2nd half of a single monitor.
I definitely agree about the window management though. I went from 2x27 to 1x34 and found it much easier to organize windows on the two displays.
This makes a huge difference. 2x24" will give you half the total surface area of 1x48". For example, if you have 2x24" side-by-side, you could put another copy of that pair above the original pair (to get a 4x24" grid), and that would be equivalent to having a single 48" monitor.
If you cut your current X inch monitor into 4 quadrants, each quadrant is diagonally X/2 inches. So having two of those would be like having just the bottom half of your current monitor.
Also, only very expensive setups give good resolution, to not waste all the metric space.
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+------+This is an area that could use some work. I use MaxTo on Windows to set up snapping regions on my 34" ultrawide. It's pretty good but I sure think it would be better if it was built into Windows.
Because there's a higher cost to switching windows than just switching where you're looking.
This isn't just a developer / office worker debate, the aviation industry has done it too. Having dedicated displays is almost always better than having to cycle through windows until you find the one you want.
I find it quicker and easier to change workspace than to turn my head. For me there is one optimal display position, so I always want to be using it.
I also might have 10 workspaces, but I don't have 10 displays.
In the past I have used a three display setup where the workspace I summon gets pulled to the centre display, swapping with other workspaces, which may be displayed on the peripheral displays. However, I found that I never really liked looking at the peripheral displays while I worked, so I switched to using a single display.
I gave up on multiple monitors because I can't carry them around with me and many times I like to work away from the desk.
As a result I'd find when I'm on the laptop, my work flow would deteriorate because I'm used to multiple windows rather than the alt tab sequence.
So I made the decision to only use a 15" screen for everything, heavily depending on alt tab.
As a result I've developed a muscle memory where there is zero thought alt tabbing to any window.
This keeps my eyes in the same place - which decreases the tracking/fatigue involved and less context switch.
However, using a second monitor does increase productivity when using a monitor behind the laptop for multiple log tails - mostly because 15" is not enough to show that data.
Studies in general assume a certain level of scientific rigour, reproducibility and verifiability.
To further your point, the discussion here is as valuable as the original article: people sharing their individual anecdotal experiences.
4x27" (not retina, sadly I don't have the budget for this).
They are all horizontal, with 3 at the bottom and 1 at the top.
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- C is my main monitor, I use i3, and my current focused app is always fullscreen, code editor, terminal, kicad, firefox (like right now). Nothing really new here.- B is my "put it all" monitor, on it I have multiple i3 workspaces, with IRC, Slack, riot.im, twitter, chatty, discord, toggl time tracking, spotify, music player, keepass XC and a few other utilities. All apps on monitor B have notifications muted and I cycled them (the social ones), like once every hour or two hours. I hardly every look at B except when scanning social things and changing music. When working B is just black.
- D this is my secondary working monitor. Browser with dev tools, 3d preview, datasheets, documentation... all this goes there.
- A this is the persistent monitor. If I'm monitoring (eg trying to find a performance bottleneck in an app), I'll have a grafana or whatever graphs on it. Or a log tail, trying to find a visual pattern in the logs (sometimes it happens). Anything that has to persist through the day or even the week. If I don't use it (like 60% of the time), I put some ambient images on it, like this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4CQHzLAi8o
First, you should get two pairs of glasses, progressives for general use and single vision lenses tuned to the specific distance to the monitors you use.
Since I use a ThinkPad for much of my work, my computer glasses are adjusted to a focus distance of about 20".
This means that all my monitors, in whatever configuration, also need to be about 20" from my eyes. And it means that large monitors are unusable unless they are curved, because the distance to my eyes changes too much from center to edge. I tried a 32" flat monitor at a company I was visiting a few years ago and it was hard to keep everything in focus.
My vision does correct well, so as long as I can keep the focus distance constant, small high-DPI monitors work best.
The sweet spot for me is the high-DPI monitor on my ThinkPad combined with one or two 24" 4K UHD external monitors. One external monitor is centered above the ThinkPad display in landscape orientation, the other is to the side in portrait orientation. The external monitors are also 20" from my eyes.
If I only have one external monitor, I like to have it on a mounting arm so I can use it in either of those orientations as needed.
Each monitor is positioned so the screen is centered relative to my eyes (i.e. I'm not viewing it at a slant).
By sticking with small monitors and adjusting them to all be at the same distance, I can easily see everything on all two or three of them.
Whatever you do about monitors, take care of your eyes! Don't do what I see too many people do, where they avoided getting glasses long after they should have and squint and crane their necks to try to read the text. Or even worse, they only get a pair of progressives, so when they try to read the screen they have to tilt their heads back and aim their eyes down through the close-up part of the glasses.
Getting proper prescription computer glasses - and getting the prescription renewed every couple of years in my 40's (when your vision changes most rapidly) - was one of the best things I ever did for myself.
I have heard of people getting laser surgery where each eye is adjusted differently, one for near distance and one for far. In fact, that is how my eyes worked naturally for many years: I had good close-up vision in and good distance vision in the other.
This did let me avoid noticing how my vision was changing for some years, but it meant I was only getting clear focus in one eye and blurry vision in the other. When I got my first computer glasses and I could see the displays with both eyes, it was like night and day.
I've also seen references to new procedures that use multifocal implants, so you would essentially have some kind of progressive lenses in your eyes. This sounds terrible for computer use.
I don't see how any kind of surgery could give me the usability and flexibility that I have with my progressive glasses and computer glasses. With the computer glasses, all of my displays are in perfect focus with both eyes. And the progressives are perfect for other everyday activities - driving, reading on smaller devices, etc.
I like the ability to tune my vision to these different needs. With surgery it seems I would have to pick one or the other.
One ultra wide (I got the Dell 38") has the added benefit of making it possible to have the primary app in the center, with less important stuff occupying the far ends of the screen.
This applies to bicycles and motorcycles too.
In all seriousness the tiling window manager I use (xmonad, but any other would probably do) is more important than the number of displays I have. But it is nice to be able to use 2 vertical displays side by side to do an eyeball diff of output at times, or to keep reference material visible on the display right by the code I'm working on.
Some people are also more open to exploration than others. It amazes me when I show a gray beard (getting there myself actually) a new trick using keyboard shortcuts which have been shipping in that system for many years. I get that way myself at times, but I'm trying to get better at actively searching for improvements on my workflow, especially using tools which ship with the box I'm using.
If something like a 2nd monitor greatly improves your performance, then I imagine you would be able to improve just actively trying things. Otherwise it would be like adding a 2nd gearshift for a pro stock car racer. WTF am I supposed to do with that? It's going to take me a while to add it to my workflow.
My personal experience is the opposite. With just one screen I tend to sit still in one position for long periods at a time and feel really uncomfortable after a couple hours. With my current 3 monitor setup I not only turn my head frequently but even sit differently depending on which screen currently has main focus and which one is e.g. just showing debug info or logs.
This study is seriously flawed in another way. I'm assuming that the 24" is 16:9 which has a height of 11.8" The 'larger' 25" ultrawide has a height of 9.8"--I would hate working on that for the same reason I don't like 16:9 laptops--the height of 16:10 or 3:2 are so much more useful.
If I turn my head to look at a window that I could vaguely see in the edge of my vision, there's no such disruption, at least consciously. It feels as though turning my head doesn't require any conscious attention at all, unlike the "what am I looking at? Is this what I expected? What was I thinking?" process that happens with hidden-to-visible transitions. By the time my head has turned to bring the window on the other monitor into the center of my vision, I already have the visual context, and in the meantime, I haven't lost my train of thought.
The "ultrawide" monitor in this test is 1" bigger than one of the 24" monitors.
How the heck does this get counted as some kind of valid "ultrawide" comparison? Doesn't seem legit at all. :(
Not area-wise. It's going to be shorter as well, which would make it worse for programming related tasks :|
With that said… I did buy an ultrawide monitor in the end (which allows 2, or even 3 apps to co-exist side-by-side). But I still kept my old monitor as a secondary one (mostly for iTerm, Spotify, and live sport).
So to answer the question: two monitors or one ultrawide, I would say, why not both?
My theory is that I'd like to achieve productivity no matter where I'm at. This means I don't use more than the laptop's monitor. I've gotten really good at using workspaces to keep tasks separated and use 3 full screen "desktops" in Mac for my standard Dev flow. I never move my head to trigger a change in flow, just a quick swipe. Also every window on a desktop must be visible in some form if multiple programs are in 1 desktop.
I've never had a complaint about my performance although I don't think it would matter much if I had a different but efficient flow.
I do have some colleagues who have tried this but they don't follow rigid organization and so they can't find their windows well.
contexts gives additional 'switching' options on different hotkeys, window searching+selection, and no mouse interaction required (but it is supported)
I have Contexts setup as follows:
cmd-tab: cycle thru all visible windows of all apps on this desktop
opt-tab: cycle thru all apps on all desktops
cmd-~: cycle thru all windows of focused app on this desktop (include hidden/minimized)
opt-~: cycle all windows of focused app on all desktops (include hidden/minimized)
cmd-space: activate Alfred
opt-space: search/activate of all running apps on all desktops
This workflow allows for complete, keyboard-driven navigation/switching, and total deprecation of the slow 10.7+ mission control gui (you can restore the older & faster exposè style window view with the app TotalSpaces)2. A 25" 21:9 ultrawide is not comparable with 2x 24" 16:10 screens. You'd need something like a 44" ultrawide to get the same screen width (omitting bezels)
[1] http://www.displaywars.com/24-inch-16x10-vs-25-inch-21x9
For me, the higher resolution on a single wide screen makes me far more efficient. I can tile 4 windows or 2 side by side and, as others have indicated, not be turning my head constantly. Plus, when using the dual 27s I still naturally tended to push lesser used apps over to the monitor not directly in front of me, so the single ultrawide and laptop stand was not much of an adjustment workflow-wise, but was a huge boost in productivity for me.
YMMV of course, but I've seen a lot of benefit going the ultrawide route.
One display is also no muss, no fuss. The time wasted on fiddling with displays, layouts and dealing with OS (oh Windows..) issues can negate the benefits of multiple monitors especially for less technical users (forums are filled with people who can't figure out the rules for HDMI/DP resolution combinations for their computer).
Speaking of Windows, the only real problem is that window snap doesn't allow me to set a 70/30 split vertical and horizontal instead of 50/50. Tried many different tools, but none seemed optimized for Windows 10.
Just recently I've bought a silly Razer Tartarus V2 keyboard just to bind window positions on GridMove to specific keys. Jury's still out.
I contribute 2 reasons:
- The vertical space on a 43" is too much, you have to tilt your head up to see the upper region of the screen, which is not ergonomic.
- I currently run MacOS, which has horrible window management, as a result I regularly find myself piling up a whole bunch of windows in the lower center of the screen, leaving about 1/3 of the screen unused.
Situation: sitting desk, 80cm depth, sitting in the center of the screen, MacOS with stock window manager.
I'll probably hang this 43" on the wall as a dedicated grafana monitor (who doesn't love the eye candy) and place a ultrawide on my desk once I replace my aging apple laptop with something more capable of driving such display.
A big plus is no scaling, so no problem with my Windows Notebook (rarely) or Linux (main machine).
I find the simplicity of my setup soothing in a way, and lets me focus on one thing that is dead straight in front of my eyes and not get distracted by peripheral vision.
May be I'm the odd one in this regard.
I’ve also noticed I move my eyes a lot more with bigger screens. Notably working on a dell 34” ultrawide. Whereas small screens - even down to the MacBook 12” - with efficient use of alt-tab and Alfred can be very productive. You don’t loose time looking for something. However when you workflow needs two side-by-side panes but no more, 27” is a bliss.
In my experience in web development, coding usually needs 2 browser windows with 10-20 tabs, 5-6 terminal windows, DB GUI, text editors with 2-3 related projects open, logs views, OS task monitor, and a couple of misc. apps. Might as well work on a small screen with less eye browsing but efficient use of keyboard shortcuts if context switching is that high.
It's been obvious since the CRT days that the biggest possible monitor was best. Anything smaller was like trying to navigate through a porthole instead of the broad seascape visible from the bridge.
The ultimate in some SciFi scenes, a large curved desk-monitor surround, though past the point of diminishing returns for most tasks, still seems cool for very complex tasks, or large CAD work...
I cannot stand laptops in general. It's amazing how much functionality can be packed into them but the first thing I do with a laptop is plug it into a full-size keyboard, tracball, and monitor.
My setup (tried and testing over the years), is one 27” high resolution display and Better Snap Tool. My laptop is in clamshell when connected, and BST allows me to use keyboard shortcuts to position my working windows. I have everything in one display.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1N3jlgqcQ4
I don't have fancy monitor arms though, so for now my two monitors are just placed right beside each other on my desk.
Looking forward to some high dpi 38” monitors over the next few years.
The ideal position of a monitor is with the top directly in front of your eyes when your head is perfectly upright.
That said you obviously don't have to turn your head as much, which might make up for that.
Back to 2-28s now. Debating on getting 1 49" but I'm worried I'll miss having two completely separated monitors.
But when working on web applications, I do prefer to have the browser on one monitor and the editor/terminals on the left, and I do believe the latter improves my productivity. I haven't tried this with a split widescreen yet.
my setup would not work without bettertouchtool and the floating web view (https://docs.bettertouchtool.net/docs/floating_html_menu.htm...) that allows you to show a fully customizable view with custom controls triggering btt actions
* I can sit and look in a symmetrical centered way. previously one screen was always "main" and I would naturally keep my head rotated more often left than right causing neck pain
* the btt view allows me to have all kinds of flexible layout, see https://i.imgur.com/wHyS3HP.png for my webview setup. every color is a different kind of layout, dark purple was intended to be most often used and thus easier to reach (webview opens with mouse in the middle). But I have noticed that i rarely use the 60% middle width one so might change that
* if i read something i can put it center view, roughly 60% width
* widescreen allows for 4 windows with somewhat normal ratios in each corner. do that on a normal screen and they are way too narrow for e.g. browsers, editors with sidebars etc.
* curved screens are super nice
* i exclusively use a single iterm2 hotkey window, single screen means all is in one place and it just fits more. with two screens i would have to designate one for the hotkey overlay. 2x4 terminal sessions seems like a great fit for most things
things i wish were differently:
* its not yet possible to get real high dpi on widescreen. 2x4k screens are nicer here
* btt will only allow modification of window dimensions of the currently focussed window, not the under the mouse location when pressing the webview shortcut (middle mouse for me)
But for me, I work in auditing and I'm constantly looking at two documents at once, comparing documentation I have against my workpapers. And when working out at a client site I cannot stand using one screen, having to switch between documents every 5 seconds, constantly trying to fit two documents side by side on my screen.
My opinion is that two monitors are better than one, but any variation of that is simply personal preference. Side note, I also think that working with ultrawide curved screens distort the image on the screen too much.
On my laptop I'm stuck with a 1080p screen, but I run i3wm which significantly improves the experience by maximizing my usable space on one screen with easily switchable workspaces.
At work I did use three 1080p monitors for a while (I do a lot of data analysis and comparisons), but I realized that I hardly ever used the third monitor, two displays of that size seem to work best for me. I think I would be okay with a single ultrawide monitor of similar or higher total resolution.
I think the most important thing is to let people find the setup that works best for them.
I upgraded to 27" monitors, but portrait mode (2880x2560) involved too much head tilting so I ultimately went landscape (5120x1440), which was both too short vertically and too wide horizontally.
So I'm currently using a single 30" (2560 x 1600) in landscape mode. It's ok. There's simplicity in having a single monitor.
The next (and possibly final) upgrade will likely be to a ~32" 4K or 5K monitor. If I had a 2nd monitor, I'd probably just want it to mirror the first one at 3x zoom centered on the cursor - my eyes are losing resolution about as fast as monitors are gaining it.
Other than that it's a sweet spot indeed. Maybe the only thing I miss is the sharpness of retina screens :)
When will someone finally make a ~28" 5210x3200 monitor? :)
I currently have a 32" 4k and its the perfect resolution and vertical height for me, but could use more width.
Side by side monitors is out for me as I don't like having a bezel in the middle of my view, and vertical monitors are also out for me as viewing angles are terrible- and just moving your head side to side can cause brightness/color saturation to vary wildly - seems as viewing angles are designed for landscape orientation.
One major factor for me was glare. There’s no way for me to position the 28” panel without a giant reflection unless I darken the entire room. With the smaller panels I can easily position both for zero reflection.
Now the 4k sits to the side for charts/monitoring, attached to a NUC.
Citation needed! Isn't a bit of movement healthy? It's not like you are playing pong across monitors for hours.
Mine are set up so that one is in front of me as normal. The other is tilted between the bottom of the first monitor and the front of my keyboard.
Pros: I don't have to turn my head side to side or upwards to see all of my screen real estate. I found that holding those positions too often bothers my neck and eyes, but looking down doesn't bother me at all.
Cons: You lose a lot of desk space. Cleaning underneath the bottom monitor can be a pain.
I wish I could move the top monitor farther down and tilt the bottom monitor more. The top monitor is still a bit high for me. But, tilting the bottom monitor more isn't great either because of the view angles. I was thinking about grabbing a couple of 4k 17" monitors to replace the bottom 27" monitor with. It would let me bring the top monitor down and the bottom monitors wouldn't have to tilt so much.
Do they make ultrawide 17" monitors? :)
This is an interesting layout, but I'm not sure it's for me; the main monitor looks to be too high up for me, and the perspective on the tilted monitor would irk me (I just tested this out with my laptop).
Here are some pictures of my setup: https://imgur.com/a/A43irYb
I have one straight ahead of me, and I do have to turn my head a bit to look at the other one, but I don't find it troublesome. I don't really like working that way for long periods (e.g., when writing code in a text editor), but it's fine for command line stuff, and good for documentation.
It's perfect for project work - one display for the site I'm building, one for my IDE, one for 2 terminals split vertically, two displays for documentation/research, and one for messaging/music/misc other stuff.
I wouldn't ever go back to fewer displays, and only wish I had bought the 8-monitor stand instead.
https://i.imgur.com/T4L7W7t.jpg
I couldn't use two monitors, as I need a focal point. It's nice to use the secondary monitors for extra things, depending on the workflow. For browser development, a browser tab and devtools on the side, text editor in the middle, everything else (spotify, filebrowser, discord, documentation) on the other side.
Bonus: Me and my wife's current temp setup https://i.imgur.com/klRAeCd.jpg (yes that's a massage table)
I have lots of colleagues with multiple screens that use them to spread out their slacks and mail clients and whatnot. I have no idea why you’d deliberately put a distraction at the periphery of your vision!
The problem with two monitor setup is that nothing can be at the center, things are always on either left or right side. Ultrawide is great but I hope there can be something wider than 21:9.
At home I had a 28-4k but replaced it and my TV with a 43-4k. I mostly use the middle area so a single ultrawide with laptop below it would suit me fine if it wasn't my TV. The PiP is handy for using multiple machines.
Edit: when I was doing production engineering, I used two 28s, one vertical on the side with the laptop on the other side.
What model do you have, (did you try a few) and what are any real life downsides? (Eg. No usb hub? Display just not quite as good yet?)
Surprised this approach hasn't come up more often yet
Combined with MacOS Spaces it’s perfect productivity wise. Extra screens would just be Screen sprawl. Learned something new today ;-)
IDE on the Macbook, browser on the right, 4 terminals on the left. Slack, Messages, Email, Calendar and others are all on a different Spaces screen for minimum distraction.
N=3 ??? I'll pass.
At work up until 2-3 weeks ago at work I had 2 x 1080p monitors, and going from home to work felt crippling.
So i would recommend to anyone doing any type of work to get at least one 4k 30+" monitor!
As pixels, the 32 4k is MUCh better, BUT, for reading and see things, I actually downscale to almost Full HD (can't see UI artifacts and despite OSX is better than windows, a lot of things not look good with increased text fonts).
The need of multiple monitors, for me, is to dial the text..
I tend to use 1 monitor most of the time, but when I am remoting onto a machine, or running terminal sessions, I tend to switch on another monitor and put the remote session on that, this gives you a nice mental separation. I have seen people wasting plenty of time moving stuff to another screen when a simple alt+tab is faster!
But that's an expensive monitor. Any suggestions for others? High DPI would be nice, I'm so used to it.
I wish Wayland was more stable so I could use it bug free and get some of that fractional scaling working
Or it could be that I'm a resolute primitive.
Every ultrawide monitor I've seen doesn't have that same vertical resolution. They have resolutions like: 3440 x 1440
Is it better to constantly move your head from physical monitor to monitor, or switch space/virtual desktop?
Of course this requires a WM that can switch to another space instantly, so macOS is ruled out.
Isn’t it better for the neck muscle that it keeps moving instead of being static?
This would better be named an experiment.
There are so many variables effecting these decisions.
1. Work activity I would never record music, with only one monitor, because I use many programs, which are synced, and have LOTS of buttons and faders and valuable information, in -real time-. That makes the time spent adjusting settings, while replaying the same parts, using plugins while recording an instrument alone etc., a very dissatisfying experience.
Gathering information on the other hand, for me is easily accomplished with one screen. I then just snapshot every interesting/relevant peace of information with key combos, and look through it in bulk, afterwards.
Browsing the web, while chatting with friends, watching some youtube videos and listening to music, is for me doable on a single screen, since I use a tiling manager, but I still prefer the second screen available in this "idling" scenario.
I also have a monitor vertically oriented, to get more text without scrolling down, on ex. email, hacker news, and other text based applications and websites.
2. Health of user; I have trouble sitting in one position for longer amounts of time. Airplanes are a hazzle, so are boats and busses. Anyhow, this forces me to move a lot and change position, which in turn could just as easily be combined with moving my head, and still be beneficial to me, health vice (and I have not seen studies showing static sitting posture and head placement, to be lean and healthy).
3. Type of work If you work with computer administration of live data of any kind, a vertical monitor to watch alerts, changes, numbers and data - will in my experience, be more informational than a horizontal monitor feeding the same information. I understand this is also due to Graphical representation of given data, but still, It seems easier to similar information in columns.
4. User capacity Not all users can take advantage of their WM. Not all users can take advantage of the extra space, with two monitors. If the user do not adapt to the given setup, they will off course be better off, keep working as they have done and are used to. It is like giving someone a keyboard driven tiling window manager.. Some will thrive, learning the combos and adding their own. Others will rip out their hair in frustration, claiming tiling wm's are dumb, inefficient and just not giving any advantage in regard to work tempo.
5. Proparbly lots of other similar arguments going the same way.
I therefor conclude; there IS NO best monitor-size or amount of monitors. It depends on the work, the user, and the userspace.
This didn't seem right: > Yet, the performance when working with a 30-inch monitor dropped compared to the 26-inch “champion”.
It's definitely nicer than two 27" for me.
Only if I will use the second one for longer than a few seconds (like reading documentation on it, or looking at a video)