Major study debunks myth that moderate drinking can be healthy

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/alco...

As always, when I try something new I do a lot of reading up first to suss the risks, and one article I came across claimed that it was less harmful than alcohol. I don't know if that's true, just reporting.

Read up erowid experiences first if you do try it. And if you do, don't be fucking stupid - I get tired of the way people so easily abuse any drug, even alcohol. Perhaps especially alcohol.

I can't particularly recommend it.

FYI anyway.

edit: formatting

It's basically "some bureaucrats want to secure funds for their agencies and have some global mission to justify them, so they invent new targets when the previous ones have dragged too long, so like the "war on drugs", "war on fat", etc. before, you now have more "war on alcohol", etc. And since those control a lot of money, and public policy, they get to decide where grants go, and you get to up your chances of a career if you go along. Plus all the private interests that can be attached to that (e.g. selling non-alcoholic versions of beverages, etc).

>but it’s very obvious that alcohol is literal poison and best to be avoided

No, it's not "very obvious" at all. It's just the residuals of the tee-totaling puritanical view of alcohol ("it must be bad!"), or considering alcoholics at the canonical example of what happens when you consume alcohol (and not e.g. the blue zone diets, where people live more than anybody else on the planet on average, and still regularly consume alcohol). In other words, it's as obvious as "fat makes us fat".

Science is not about accepting some "obvious", it's about investigating what's actually the case.

And there's the historical perspective:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2016/09/3-questi...

Or:

To our fruit-eating primate ancestors swinging through the trees, however, the ethanol in rotting fruit would have had three other appealing characteristics. First, it has a strong, distinctive smell that makes the fruit easy to locate. Second, it’s easier to digest, allowing animals to get more of a commodity that was precious back then: calories. Third, its antiseptic qualities repel microbes that might sicken a primate. Millions of years ago one of them developed a taste for fruit that had fallen from the tree. “Our ape ancestors started eating fermented fruits on the forest floor, and that made all the difference,” says Nathaniel Dominy, a biological anthropologist at Dartmouth College. “We’re preadapted for consuming alcohol.”

In any quantity? Prove it

The problem is everything is a poison in quantity. Moderation is key with anything.

The agenda was clearly indicated. Please reread my parent post, Reduce alcohol consumption.

We consume many extremely dangerous poisons throughout the day and there is not a ton of research of the effects of those molecules. Or there is and almost no follow up action.

I'm really curious how this is obvious and how you know it. Anything is literally poison if consume too much of it. Even water [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication

Faulty logic. Practically everything can be a poison. The poison is the dose. There is no argument that heavy alcohol use is detrimental to your health. There is still quite a bit of argument whether or not moderate alcohol use has benefits. And where are the benefits? Does it benefit the human as a whole as in- the benefits in one area (anti coagulant, anti inflammatory) outweigh the additional risks of (throat cancer, breast cancer)?

Doesn't seem obvious to me. You should conduct a study where you simply proclaim things as obvious.

The Earth is obviously flat, just look at it. /s