Just seems like ICE employees are only targeting latinos... intentionally. And that's the most bothering part of this to me. We're cool with Swedes overstaying their welcome...
Had this guy been Latino he would be called a child smuggler.
From the officer's perspective, here's this Canadian with no entry stamp in their passport. One would assume that the usual procedure for expats to renew their passport is to do it through the embassy or consulate in their country of residence.
Second even if this number is accurate, it is misleading and I will attempt to put it in perspective.
People are coming to us border to claim asylum. They are unable to do that because border agents are understaffed (it's been like that since 2015 during Obama administration) and can only accept so many applications.
In the meantime they have to live in appalling conditions waiting for months to just apply for asylum, in this situation some people choose to cross 'illegally'. Source: https://www.gimletmedia.com/the-cut-on-tuesdays/the-women-of...
It's on course to be higher this year, but well under 1 million.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelgoldstein/2017/11/09/tsa...
the total number of apprehensions every year for the past 12 fiscal years has been less than 1 million per year. and no, you cannot assume that the number of people of people that didn't get apprehended is some arbitrarily selected multiple of that number, because one, reputable sources estimate that the number of actual individuals entering the country is on the same order of magnitude as the number of apprehensions (because many people are apprehended more than once), and two, because that's completely moronic.
Also the person you are replying to pointed out that this included people apprehended more than once.
With a lack of data it's not ok to just make numbers up.
Is one of them to privilege a white majority?
Perhaps there's a reason so many call to abolish the institution.
Most of your "illegal immigrants" are legitimate visitors who overstay their visa.
1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19547565
2. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/11/trumps-...
3. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/09/nyregion/melania-trumps-p...
Permeable borders abound in nature. Trying to obstruct the natural behavior of migration is as foolish as trying to halt the tides and arguably causes worse economic distortions than it solves.
The "natural flow of migration"?
When there is some sort of equivalency drawn between the Southern and Northern border it is usually founded on absolute nonsense. The Northern border likely sees more smuggling of both people and contraband (e.g. guns) North than the reverse.
Different teams deal with visa overstaying. In that area, most of illegal immigrants are almost certainly latinos. I guess that if a group of 14 Nigerian males showed up at Motel 6, they'd call ICE too.
Again I don't agree but it's not hard to see why an agent would make that particular decision if they did.
> "According to our interviews with employees at Motel 6," he told NPR's Scott Simon, "ICE agents would circle the names that looked Latino-sounding and ran those names through a database and then would detain individuals based on those random checks."
Seems pretty intentional targeting to me.
I think it has less to do with "being cool with Swedes", and more to do with the fact that illegal immigrants are -- statistically speaking -- overwhelming Hispanic, and anyone identifying illegals will have better results among Hispanics.
I don't think anyone is more cool with a Swede conducting a terrorist attack than an Arab. Rather, any tenancy to profile Arabs as terrorists comes from the fact that most terrorists are Arabic.
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This is not to justify the practice of racial profiling. I merely assert that the motivations for racial profiling stems more from actual statistics and cost-benefit analysis than intrinsic irrational racism as I think you suggest.
That doesn't make racial profiling any more ethical or correct. The evidence is so overwhelming that intrinsic irrational racism is part of the reason why it is done. That evidence includes direct rhetoric of the current administration.
https://www.statista.com/chart/9550/foreign-citizens-who-ove...
The administration is run by white supremacists. They overtly and covertly signal their support for neo-nazis, and have campaigned on their overt bias against hispanic immigrants.
Where is Occam's Razor in this case? Why is this simple explanation invalidated by a more complex one?
Let me apply Occam's Razor, a lot of government employees are lazy, so going to the Motel 6 makes sense. Get the names, run some queries, arrest some people, hit my target number, the boss is happy. We have been doing this since 2015, why fix it, if it isn't broken.
The same people held power in 2015: Graham, McConnell, Sessions. The same media institutions toed the line. McCain got the whole nationalist jingoism ball rolling with Sarah Palin on his ticket.
I also don't have this cognitive dissonance where I blame the current occupant of an office for the policy his predecessor started.
What matters is progress.
Even the fact underlying your basic premise is wrong: Republicans had the majority in both houses of congress in January 3, 2015[3], gaining the Senate after having held the House since January 3, 2011. They continued to hold both in majority until the past midterm elections seated a Democratic house majority this January.
1. https://www.vox.com/2019/2/21/18234767/parents-separated-chi...
2. https://newrepublic.com/article/149161/uncertain-fate-migran...
This is something that you are unwilling to do. This post is on a particular policy started during the Obama administration. You blamed it on Trump. When called on it, you change the subject and accuse me of deflection.
>It's amazing the mental acrobatics that people go >through to try to find an after-the-fact justification >for targeted racist policy.
So if I understand your mindset correctly, blaming Trump is your way of creating an after-the-justification for Obama's targeted racist policy.
For the record, I don't find your mental acrobatics amazing, just lazy. It seems like it all flows from "Orange Man Bad".
That doesn't change the fact that "Orange Man" is in charge now, and is exacerbating the bad policy, AND is encouraging people to hate on top of it. His people are ripping kids out of their parent’s arms. He’s rallying white supremacists, calling entire ethnicities rapists and entire countries shitholes.
You’re looking for excuses to pin the pinheaded totalitarian’s decisions on someone else. It’s always someone else’s fault in MAGAland.
Let's recap:
I blamed the Motel 6 policy on the local ICE satrap. No you said, that is amazing mental acrobatics, it is Orange Man's fault. I point out the policy started out under Obama. You change the subject to the Border and accuse me of trying to pin Obama's policy on Obama. I never mentioned the Border, that was you changing the subject.
Wouldn't it been easier to just admit you didn't read the article carefully and you didn't notice the dates?
Maybe in your land admitting a mistake isn't allowed, perhaps there is this fear that it diminishes the Badness of Orange Man.
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/686056668/for-seventh-consecu...
Because the majority of the U.S.'s 11 million illegal immigrants are Mexican, and 80% are from Central and South America. [1]
[1] Migration Policy Institute, 2015 https://www.migrationpolicy.org/research/analysis-unauthoriz...
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/homegrown-...