Nice. Anyone building fun stuff using Django these days?
Even though a lot of people don't like Django's ORM, at least it does almost everything you would want to do with Postgres. (And if you want more you can always use SqlAlchemy.) Most of the other ecosystems don't even have anything near the baseline functionality built into Django.
- The best-governed language in all of software, and the best-governed web framework
- A huge ecosystem of libraries for everything from data science to email processing, that are (mostly) easy to read and modify and free from systemic security issues. And pretty much every major company with an API has an official Python library for that API.
- The standard language taught at most of the top CS programs around the world
- A web framework that's had almost no major security issues over the 10+ years its been around
What exactly would you get in terms of benefits from switching to Ruby? I'm not saying Ruby or Rails are bad tools, I just don't get why someone who already knew Python and Django would switch.
I get that if you run a dev shop it might be a better choice for just cranking out web apps as fast as possible for clients, but if you run an actual startup I don't see that the benefits of saving a couple lines of code would offset the costs of being locked into the ruby ecosystem.
You'd get Ruby on Rails.
Sorry that these are fairly abstract statements without examples. I need to start tracking them.
For the record I didn't want to do Rails work when I started, and begrudgingly accepted being called a Rails developer only after two years of experience.
I disagree about this, there's not even a basic user signup flow plugin with page templates that would allow SSO and U2F, it was so when I was looking at it three months ago. With Flask I can use Flask-Security, Flask-Dance and I have user signup, pw resets, SSO. With CSRF protection out-of-box and bunch of other security features are easy to turn on compared to Django. What I did like about Django was the idea and maybe I would've liked Django-Admin if I didn't have to reinvent three wheels out of four.
I don't know a ton about SSO, although I'm more skeptical about building it into Django only because there are many different ways you might want the business logic to work, so to me that suggests using a library for that might be more appropriate than having it built into the framework.
I don't need to learn a new language I won't use for anything else, I don't need to learn a framework that is not as simple as its proponents describe. I also don't need to learn a new package manager or go digging for gems that do what I need.
If you aren't already invested in ruby, there is very little to gain as a web app developer. It would be a huge waste of time to drop django or flask and learn not only a new framework but also a language that is often described as cumbersome to use.
Ruby on rails might make sense if you already know it, but it makes little sense for anyone else to learn it these days.
- cleaner internal APIs, models, methods
- a lot more stuff that "just works" out of the box where you would need a third-party package in Django (e.g. RoR gives you different settings for development/staging/production out of the box)
- better static file handling
- third-party packages tend to be a bit more mature and stable in the RoR world
However, using Django gives you easy access to the rest of the Python ecosystem, including all the data science and ML tooling. And that trade is worth it. So if you are starting from scratch today, i'd go with Django.
Don't you just let nginx/CDN handle these?
You develop by just assuming all your static files would be served by Django itself (and they will - using the dev server) and then change the project’s configuration to use a CDN or S3 (using a library - which will automatically collect & upload your files too) with no change to the underlying code.
As an aside, I love seeing how different frameworks implement the same features.
I think Django, Laravel, and Rails are really the only 3 frameworks with the levels of ecosystem and built in functionality that these 3 have (unless there's something in Java-land that I'm not aware of). ASP.NET Core is close, but the ecosystem around it is weaker.
Laravel was my 2nd choice, the recent adoption of a JIT into the core really adds some desirability to the space. Not to mention HHVM and how much Wordpress is out there.
I've been giving C#/Asp.Net Core ago since it's been open sourced. I'm loving C# the langauge, but I wish the ecosystem was as rich as the PHP/JS ecosystems.
Node.JS, on one-hand seems to take the approach of Go-lang - standard libraries that do basic web-handling well, but on the other hand, I think it is tarnished by Javascript's reputation for having too many third-party packages, too many options, new framework every week, etc.
C# / .NET core seems to be a strong up-and-comer alternative for teams looking for a full-featured and well-supported application framework with more type safety and performance than Python/Django or RoR. Elixir / Phoenix, as well, but that caters to an entirely different crowd.
I expect most Go users are not using much in the way of frameworks.
Everyone talks about the admin. Yes it is nice, but the real core for me is a sensible way to map URLS to queries. I have taken the filtering and sorting of the admin, and extended it to output dataframes. From there I can take the same admin url, change one part and instead get a csv to download, or a matplotlib plot.
The Django ORM is cumbersome to use for complex queries, especially aggregations. I get around this by writing views that I want to express the aggregations that I want, then putting a model on top of the view. From there I can get easy access to the aggregations through a simple foreign key.
When using Django, I often think "there's a lot of convention around doing this simple thing" or "why did they engineer something this odd way". Then I use Flask and I have to poorly reinvent something that Django has already thought of.
One new feature I’m excited about is bulk_update: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/2.2/ref/models/querysets/#...
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Im a big fan of django, and have used it for several projects. Using rest-framework allows you also to make powerful apis, and SPA front ends like Vue or React. It's ORM is also a very user friendly (though aggregations are definitely a pain).
I consistently come back due to the great docs, and the ease of use. Being python based means you can integrate a lot of libraries, especially if you are doing any kind of data science related stuff. Websockets and real time stuff can be cumbersome from my experience, and for that I would stick to node. It's possible to use django-channels but I had a very mixed experience trying this.
I see the esports gaming area exploding over the next 10 years as most people are gaming now instead of other activities.
I use django-background-tasks to run an ETL job every 20 mins that does the matching.
It is growing just among beta customers. Hope to do a release in next month or so. Will post a Show HN.
I also have a client I develop for on a private web app in Django that does a lot of cool stuff w on the fly cloud compute instantiation.
I really like Django and have been hanging out in the #django on freenode.
It may seem boring but it is the most productive setup I've ever experienced; I don't think that there's anything more powerful for such things (except maybe some IDEs like PowerBuilder however I think that these are way too niche on their capabilities; they may be fast and easy to create the thing that they know how to create but god help you if you need to create something more complicated; Django on the other hand is a general purpose framework; whatever you throw at it it will happily eat)
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Most of my projects starts with Django. Quick to build quick to test the idea. And because they never grow to 10k concurrent users no need for more scalable solution.
It's an amazing little piece of software, I am gobsmacked by how complete it is.