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IDE’s don’t run in terminals, and the main benefits of terminals are consistency, power, and speed. Plus, at least in scientific computing, you generally have to develop and deploy code on remote workstations or HPC clusters, so an SSH-based workflow is a given.

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Loaded with plugins Vim is slower than VSCode on my machine. But I do use Vim, plain, on remote systems.

That has been my experience. Out of the box Vim is fast sure, but when you add plugins for the thousand and one missing functionalities you get OOTB with VSCode etc., it begins to really slow down.

Vim startup should be nearly instantaneous (<<1sec). If it’s not, something is broken. You can do `vim --startuptime profile.log` to find out what’s going wrong.

Right. Also vim8 and neovim have async which should allow plugins to do things in the background.

Most plugins lazyload themselves too. I haven't had perf trouble with vim in years.

I'm in the camp where too many plugins (while nice for particular languages) is a crutch. I'd like to still be able to use it when my plugins aren't present on remote machines. It's part of the reason why I had, a one point, used the easy-motion plugin, but dropped it. Does it make things more cumbersome? A tad, but it forced me to build up a better workflow around it.

I'm also wondering when the last time you've used Vim was, because async plugin execution is now a thing, but I switched to NeoVim a while back it's fast.

I'm really careful to not change standard settings, so when I'm remote only cosmetic things change (linting underline, autocomplete). If I do change something standard, then it should be obvious what the original command was (<C-w> to <leader>w)

Vim with ~40 plugins loads in about 1 second for me and that's inside of WSL too, which is a heck of a lot slower than native Linux. That's on a 5 year old i5 3.2ghz too.

My vimrc is at: https://github.com/nickjj/dotfiles/blob/master/.vimrc

I'm using NeoVim which might explain the difference, but VSCode is slow to boot and laggy when running on my Ubuntu 18 box. Nvim has never been either.

At work, on OSX, VSCode has been fine though. Still, I've never run into a situation where nvim is slower. And I use a good many plugins (deoplete, ALE, ctrlp, fzf, and 5 sets of language specific plugins).

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