The FCC has fined robocallers $208M and collected $7k
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Robocalls would be much easier to address if you could block/report the actual number they come from.
So my guess is that the protocol they use asks the caller for the "from" number.
But spoofing to a number that you don't own? No, I don't know of any legitimate use for that.
When making calls on behalf of an entity that does own that number. Happens all the time, a company hires a bunch of call centers, they make outbound calls, then those return calls go back to a number owned by the original company. They can then answer them in-house, transfer them to a certain call center, transfer them round-robin, whatever they need to do. Plus it gives them the flexibility to drop a certain call center if needed, without having to worry about losing control of that number.
Phone numbers can also often be associated with a physical address which can be a problem for people who legitimately don't want to give away their location.
This is a relatively small company with 2500 employees. Imagine something much, much larger, with offices worldwide, VOIP routing internally, least cost routing of phone calls, etc.
Sometimes you want someone else to call on your behalf. But if they need to call back, you want them to reach you.
That said, I don't know why we still haven't fixed this. We've had plenty of time. I guess the answer just comes down to it costs money to fix it and the phone companies historically haven't cared. Though at this point, given how many people outright refuse to answer numbers they don't recognize due to spammers, you'd think the phone companies would be feeling financial pressure to work towards restoring trust in the phone system.
I imagine it's the kind of issue where there are still enough people answering the calls where if they dealt with the issue it would have a noticeable, measurable financial impact, so nobody in the company can propose it. But by not fixing the issue now it will also destroy all future business.
So short-sightedness.
What financial pressure do the phone companies feel when I never answer my phone?
I still have to give them identical amounts of money to maintain my internet connection.
Phone companies can CHOOSE to stop routing calls without more identity/registration from the caller but it’s just not implemented, maybe for legacy compatibility reasons. I believe for some countries on twilio, phone number registrations require additional verification, but for the US you just need credit on twilio.
I got a call just yesterday from my DR's office reminding me of a scheduled appointment. Have no way of knowing for sure, but I have no doubt that it's a service spoofing their office phone number so the calls get answered. It was a computer generated voice and automated response processing.
1) Caller id was conceptually flawed from the beginning so was implemented as an honor system instead of something required to communicate (like an IP address)
2) Caller id is unregulated, so there is no penalty for spoofing
My previous comment on it:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19303931
From the linked article:
Unlike phone numbers and domain name service (DNS), wherein there are internationally recognized databases that are authoritative sources, there is no central authority or regulation for caller ID. No FCC guidelines regulate carrier accuracy, and although federal regulations exist regarding telemarketers and spoofing, carriers can maintain their caller ID databases as they see fit.
https://www.onsip.com/blog/how-caller-id-works-why-it-might-...
It's very different from a packet switching network where data is cut in small chunks with a header meant to be routed across the graph (and in which case you need to be able to find your way back for the reply somehow).
Of course I expect that modern phone networks have evolved massively from the early days but I'm sure that this original design decision still makes what you're proposing difficult. There's a lot of historical baggage.
Pair that with creating an access restriction to the US PSTN for any entity that originates a call with a spoofed number that is enforceable with technology rather than by voluntary or compelled action, and much of the problem will be mitigated.
Caller Id came about in '68. It was built around an honor system because that's the environment that's how telephone lines used to be operated. They weren't able to predict the future.
10 times per day?
You will. And the company that will bring it to you is AT&T."
It's sad how well that fits into their line of old commercials from the 1990's. And yes, I was inspired by this post from yesterday [0].
Isn't that exactly what T-Mobile is doing with their scam blocking? Or did you mean something a bit different?
https://www.fcc.gov/call-authentication
https://transnexus.com/whitepapers/understanding-stir-shaken...
a) CallerID: This is the numeric part of the info displayed on the callee's phone. Is provided by the calling party, DOES NOT have anything to do with the second part. IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE NAME THAT SHOWS ON THE CALL
b) CNAM: This is the Name part that gets delivered to the callee's phone. This is essentially a reverse lookup on the CallerID part of the call IN THE CALLEE'S PROVIDER'S DATABASE
Back when (today's) AT&T ran the whole phone system, those two databases were essentially the same. Now that they aren't, hilarity ensues.
My cordless phones have a simple "call block" button. It's quite helpful. The set is similar to this set:
https://smile.amazon.com/Panasonic-KXTGF344B-4-Handset-Landl...
My "landline" is actually VoIP through Callcentric. They have good rates, the service is extremely customizable, and they are very reliable. Sometimes I use Callcentric to block numbers before they reach my phone.
I'm not affiliated with Callcentric or Panasonic. I'm just a happy customer.
And these days, about half the spam calls are in Chinese. Because Alistair is such a common name in the Chinese-American community. :|
I'd bet you a dollar they're just dialing numbers sequentially; while they're specifically targeting Chinese folks, I very much doubt it's more cost effective to pre-filter phone lists.
> The problem here is partly bureaucratic: While the FCC has the power to dole out fines, it lacks the power to actually enforce those orders. That task, according to the Journal, falls to the Justice Department, and is not made easier by the fact that many entities responsible for this relentless aural spam are individual people or small outfits that can't afford the fees they rack up and can skirt collectors without too much fuss.
... and...
> The Federal Trade Commission, it should be said, has done slightly better. Since 2004, it has won a total of $1.5 billion from robocallers and No-Call Registry violators in court, of which it has collected $121 million, or 8 percent of the total.
The Federal Trade Commission, it should be said, has done slightly better. Since 2004, it has won a total of $1.5 billion from robocallers and No-Call Registry violators in court, of which it has collected $121 million, or 8 percent of the total.
https://transnexus.com/blog/2018/providers-responses-shaken-...
Once implemented incoming calls can be handled differently (e.g. UI differences on dialer, dropped to voicemail) based upon the attestation.
Also, it seems that iOS have support for third party apps helping to block spam calls: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207099 Android have this feature built-in: https://support.google.com/phoneapp/answer/3459196?hl=en
[0] https://transnexus.com/whitepapers/understanding-stir-shaken...
Although I could imagine the impact for people who receive many unknown calls from their own area code would be non-negligible.
Hiya (and presumably other solutions, but I've used Hiya extensively) does this.
This will become unhelpful as soon as it becomes sufficiently popular (perhaps even before: as the trick gets more widely recognized for what it is, the mental spam filters it hacks around will get updated whether or not they are augmented with technological tools, and the practice will lose its value and be abandoned, making automated filtering that assumes it is widely used more likely to screen out good calls than spam.)
You could set up some elaborate system to proxy your calls through a call forwarding service, and then only give out the proxy number to people, but that wouldn't stop anyone who randomly calls your directly number and would be a big hassle to set up.
I've considered hacking something like this together for myself, except if I'm the only one doing it I can do something even simpler and just have the system say "please press 6 to be connected". The robocalls will be to dumb to figure it out, thus no more robocalls.
When you receive a call you can let the phone ask what the call is about and it will locally transcribe what they say back so you can decide whether or not to pick up.
Lawfirms have collected billions from private industry via class action TCPA cases.
This just means that the FCC has been ineffective. The law is actually mostly working as intended. It stops/punishes legitimate large enterprises from robocalling. It's no surprise that a law isn't doing anything about scammers who are already breaking the law.
Research SHAKEN/STIR to see more about it.
Here's an example between AT&T and Comcast: https://about.att.com/story/2019/anti_robocall.html
We also ought to fix the collection of fines and include jail time for execs when fines aren’t paid.
If your average handle time is too high, you're in trouble. If your sales per hour are too low, you're in trouble. If you spend too much time in wrap, you're in trouble. If you don't collect all the information you need to after a call, you're in trouble. If you're having your best week ever but end up at the bottom of the stacked rankings regardless, you're in trouble.
If there was a sega genesis like cheat code one could press on ones handset that would deliver an electric shock to the person on the other end of the line I would press it.
https://jollyrogertelephone.com/
Unfortunately, I find these spammers have gotten wise to this, and I haven't been able to snag them in a year or so.
Very much a captive audience.
If they want to reach me, they can do so my email, and it has worked fine so far.
I was interviewing for jobs the past 4 months, and asked nicely if they would be willing to use Hangouts instead of a phone call because of lots of robocalls. Third party recruiters might refuse(but I avoid them at all costs), but I've yet to have hiring managers or engineers be unwilling to do so. Small businesses are in a tough place, but an individual really does have plenty of options for avoiding phone calls.
EDIT: I'm being a little myopic here, since not everyone is applying for engineering positions. lol Employers outside SV probably won't be receptive to not using the legacy phone system.
I said what I said because I've disabled calls for people who are not on my contact list, whom rarely call me anyway, in favor of email and video chat like Hangouts. Most businesses can be contacted via email, and nearly all my correspondence with companies, when I was apply for jobs, was handled over email and Hangouts. It just seems to me like we already have plenty of viable options for ditching the outdated, low fidelity phone system, but maybe that's not for everyone. For individuals, however, I do still think disabling calls is worth a try just to see how much one really needs to be answering them.
If a bank is calling me, they'd better want zero information from me - they better be just telling me things. Otherwise, I'm going to call them back at a number that I know is really them.
If the government calls you, you're really in trouble. Calls from the "government" are almost always a scam. Same with banks to a lesser extent.
The school issue is an interesting one. Schools ought to have other methods to contact parents(or students). At the very least, a school should be willing to provide a list of numbers to whitelist.
My point is that there are difficulties in not taking phone calls, but there aren't as many of those difficulties as one might assume, and they exist in large part because nobody is pushing for obsolescence of the phone in favor of something better.
I wouldn't even mind a system that wasn't IP based so long as it had better security measures. In fact, that'd be preferable to relying on proprietary systems owned by the likes of Facebook and Google. The fact that a Caller ID can be easily spoofed, that numbers themselves can be spoofed, and that phone companies have long been complicit in the criminal activity that goes on over their system, is absurd. It can't be fixed and should either be thrown away or rebuilt from the ground up.
Any totally new solution is liable to be useful only to an increasing minority of the population over at least the next few decades.
It would probably be easier to graft authentication onto the current system and force individuals to post a tiny bond per assigned phone number.
Let people report robo calls and cause robo call originators to forfeit their numbers and bonds and don't allow them to buy new numbers under the same identity or credit card.
Even paying $10 per per 10 robo calls placed would boost the cost to $1 per call.
If you need 1000 bullshit calls to scam $500 out of someone then your net is negative.
If you want a solution, whitelisting isn't it. You could even create them at the organizational level, like schools and government offices publishing lists of numbers to be whitelisted... But that would just be used by the robocallers, spoofers and scammers.
We as a society benefit hugely from instant communication and trying to remove it today would put too many people at risk.
I believe a call from anyone worth answering will probably result in a voicemail, and I know that robocalls leave voicemail, so I know it's not a perfect plan. But I am at a point where I would rather just ignore "phone" functionality on my iPhone than to put up with the huge daily distraction of robocalls.
It's the exact same as the Nigerian Prince spam scam https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/publication/why-do-...
John Oliver should increase the frequency of robocalls to FCC chairs.
They don't really care if anyone else reads the paper; the expected return on a non-core subscriber isn't worth much more than the cost of acquisition, so there's not much point to changing their business model to chase gadflies.
At the same time, non-core readers are a large source of potential revenue, so they make their stories available through some means (like Apple News) in a manner that allows them access to a large non-core market while protecting their core subscription model.
When potential subscriber sees that everyone links wsj news, but (s)he can't read it, eventually (s)he subscribes.
They give them out for free in colleges, especially in business schools. Many corporate offices and law firms and stuff also have subscriptions that they maintain.
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Edit: This is a heavily downvoted comment. Instead of downvoting, how about you explain why you think you're entitled to paid content for free?
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never subbed, never donated, adblock, stolen laptop, neighbours wifi
https://www.foxnews.com/tech/the-fcc-has-fined-robocallers-2...
Or maybe it's a case of death by 100s of a/b tests?
....WSJ!
I'm just so used to circumventing paywalls that I forgot I actually pay for that
A cool added feature would be detecting long catches, and then calling you, so you could listen in real time.