996.icu, Chinese programmers against working overtime gathering on GitHub

It depends. Many top and ambitious talents did go back to China because they may get higher pay and have a higher chance of becoming billionaires. Average Joes like me tend to stay in the US because everything is much easier and less competitive.

I guess it stems from the fact that developers are one of the few groups which CAN dictate some things.

We do forget that other jobs come with 14 hour shifts, no breaks, no health insurance, and constantly being on-call for a 5th of the salary.

That doesn't mean that devs shouldn't push for decent conditions though.

Also, while devs "have it good," it's nothing near what lawyers and doctors made, so before patting ourselves on the shoulder and thinking we made it, we should keep tht in mind.

Other people have it worse so it's okay to remain in a shitty situation? I don't think we should treat this like a victim competition.

I wish I could work 12 hour days. :P

It's not uncommon for them to work one 12 hour shift one or two times a week, and usually done voluntarily for extra pay.

The shit they're talking about violates labor laws in the US and is done 6 days a week. No one is physically capable of that for a non-desk job for very long so if anything, that's not true because its simply unsustainable.

Come to Europe, where it's illegal for waiters to work 12 hour days.

Not uncommon, but still crazy. And there is not much justification to do so. No developer can regularly work for 12 hours.

5 hours should be our target. Less pretending to work would be so much more efficient.

I am not willing to further escalate inferiority complexes with others.

from what i understand, they just want the overtime pay they are legally entitled to according to their interpretation of PRC law.

And AFAIK for most of the companies actually do this -- they sort of enforce employees to work as 996. In the meantime do not pay for working overtime or pay very few.

I work in finance and all I can say is it's not sustainable and not definitely something anyone should be proud of. Literally no one benefits from such long work hour, not even the company itself.

2nd place now https://github.com/search?utf8=&q=stars%3A%3E10000&type=Repo...

Yeah, many developers are exhausted with their work. This is a good outlet.

long hours != work hard

so sad people in that forum even don't realize it and are so proud of their so-called "hard work" while getting exploited by their employers.