How to increase serotonin in the human brain without drugs (2007)
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The article links to an old version of the NICE guidance. The new version of that is here: https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/cg90
It's important to note that exercise isn't being touted as a treatment for depression, but as something that may help people with sub-clinical symptoms. They have one or two symptoms of depression, but not the whole package.
> Low-intensity psychosocial interventions
> For people with persistent subthreshold depressive symptoms or mild to moderate depression, consider offering one or more of the following interventions, guided by the person's preference:
> individual guided self-help based on the principles of cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT)
> computerised cognitive behavioural therapy (CCBT)[4]
> a structured group physical activity programme.
NICE does not recommend exercise as a treatment for depression. This is because the evidence we have shows it does not work. It's not, as the author of the submitted article suggests, that we don't yet have good enough evidence.
A) >= moderately athletic people with above average health and can sustain strenuous cardiovascular activity. For these people going out and exercising is a form of self actualization which IME is a pretty hard counter to depression. It's an "easy" way of being very good at something and that gives people some level of self worth. People on the upper end of this group are also competitive and tend to participate in teams or events that give them lots of social contact with like minded people which helps further.
B) The average non-athletic person sitting at home struggling with depression. They can try exercising and it might help but most of the time it's going to cause them to feel self conscious at the gym and worthless when they don't see any progress because they have no training or experience with how to work out (and most of the services claiming to provide such are garbage cash grabs). For these people it'll always be an uphill battle but from the point of view of people in A) they just look like they're not trying. In the end they go home feeling worse off than before because they didn't achieve anything and probably feel that it's yet another thing they can't do well or yet another failed attempt at self help. Even those that get some traction are a long way off from reaching that self actualization stage.
tl;dr exercise seems to be about maintaining a lack of depression rather than bootstrapping your way out of it.
Pumping the lymphatic channels, mostly. Because humans don't have https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lymph_hearts, so we don't just naturally do that; we actually need to move around in order for our lymphatic system to maintain the pressure required for flow.
> how does that relate to the topic we're discussing
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28342944
"Toxins" (metabolic waste and immune-system antibodies, mostly) cause tissue inflammation. Your body responds to systemic increases in inflammation by becoming depressed. Cleaning the wastes out of your body, in a way that decreases inflammation, will act to decrease depression.
Interesting—and true and well-studied—corollary: things that just suppress the inflammatory response to bodily toxins, are also antidepressant. NSAIDs (e.g. ibuprofen) are anti-depressant.
People commonly use the term "depression" in a way that does not exactly match the true medical definition. People say "i'm depressed" when they should really say "i'm feeling sad today". People say exercise is a treatment, when they should say it makes them feel better. I fear your pursuit for the exact terms might prevent some people from trying a thing that would help them.
For a hypothetical example, it would be entirely possible that people who are sub-clinically depressed turn out to be more-often-than-not lacking in dopamine (due to e.g. Seasonal Affective Disorder), where their depression is secondary to things like fatigue and lack of focus brought about by this. These people would do better with exercise or vitamin D or light therapy or a dose of Wellbutrin... but SSRIs or meditation or behavioral-activation therapy or other "things that help people who are clinically depressed" wouldn't help at all.
"Clinical depression" isn't a disease (= a particular mechanism that causes symptoms.) It is, instead, a syndrome—a name for a cluster of symptoms that get studied because we have no good tests to isolate a particular etiology (cause) in each case. Different etiologies have different best treatments.
Since we can't isolate the etiologies well enough to name them, we can at least refer to "sub-clinical depression", "clinical depression", "treatment-resistant depression", etc. as separate syndromes, such that—hopefully!—each one more closely corresponds with a particular etiology, and thus we can develop a line of treatment best suited to each.
Thank you for clearly stating this.
Depression is not "Gee, I've been feeling tired and blue for a couple of days," but it is commonly confused with "short term, mild melancholy".
Depression is a serious illness and needs to be understood and treated as such.
By the way, check out this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19551463
[1] - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2989833/
[2] - https://www.health.harvard.edu/depression/is-your-antidepres...
This is one of those things that a lot of members of the public at large do not seem to know; they think that depression is defined as some sort of chemical imbalance in the brain, and it is not. Depression is defined in the DSM more or less as, being sad too often, except in cases of mourning etc. where people are often incredibly sad. It is literally defined as an overabundance of feeling.
This matters to me because I no longer have depression—I am “cured!”—because I am no longer too sad often enough to qualify for the diagnosis. I did not use medicine but developed better coping mechanisms. The cause of my depression is still around—my negative thoughts will on average trigger one or more additional negative thoughts until I am paralyzed with self-doubt and negativity. Indeed, and this is somewhat hard to explain to folks who have never had this problem, I will sometimes luxuriate in those negative emotions because they have a sort of familiarity or nostalgia, I spent so much time being so sad that it is sometimes desirable to feel unpleasant again. That sort of complicated “if you seek out sadness is it really sadness” type of question is 100% interesting and valid.
But I developed coping mechanisms to deal with those sorts of emotional overloads and recognize that they are happening and escape them, and I do not frequently return back to those unhealthy thought patterns. In that respect I am cured. The psychiatrists define depression so that that is what cured looks like: we have not necessarily addressed whatever the underlying cause is, but we have treated the symptoms.
So it is literally impossible to be depressed if you don't feel sad often enough; it is part of the definition. Anyone who says “oh I get really sad and maybe even suicidal, but I am not depressed” is making a nonclinical statement that would not be directly translatable as a clinical one.
So there were two key developments that helped me personally.
The first was a unified theory of righteousness, manifested in five commitments I made to myself. They are commitments that I view as essential to a good or heroic life, they are interdependent and when they are in conflict they require wisdom to resolve the tension. They are commitments of love, honesty, ambition, compassion, and humility. So the idea that I had stable commitments started to anchor me: I was not totally worthless because I had understood the basic axioms for being heroic. So this is a core environmental change. I could go on and on about what each of these mean but it is perhaps not the right context or time for that just here.
The second major change was an adaptive change in crisis moments. I have a strange religious history where I started Catholic, became a fundamentalist, became an atheist, became a Buddhist, became a mystic Christian again. Somewhere in the atheist phase after fundamentalism I had started learning about Buddhism as part of a general interest in world religions and their models of heroism but before I had really started meeting Tibetan Buddhists in person. This introduced me to meditation, but that was not quite what I use: meditation is something of a constant attention-strengthening exercise, this is more of an acute stress response. The idea is that I simply try to sit still in the middle of these swirling negative emotions. My problem is that each negative thought causes, on average, more than one negative thought: this change in what I am paying attention to and how I am organizing my activity, takes that number less than 1. I would not say that it is fully zero. But the point is, that then my negative emotions behave more like others', they multiply a little bit but eventually peter out. So just by finding that eye of the storm, I can eventually gain control of my mind again.
I do wonder though if it does make you numb if that isn't always bad. For some people depression might be related to an excess of sensitivity or some past trauma. Numbing that a bit might help them move past it and might be beneficial to their healing. Of course this might not be the case for people whose depression has some other source and it might not be the case for continuing treatment. It's possible that some people might benefit from taking certain drugs for a period of time but not forever.
It's all quite complex, individual, and not yet anywhere close to fully understood.
- Alterations in thought (meditation)
- Exposure to bright light (outdoors)
- Exercise
- tryptophan supplementation taken WITHOUT food for greater uptake
- α-Lactalbumin found in Milk but not really a great option
Definitely can speak to the exposure to light, and exercise ones. Nothing lifts my mood more than going for a run outside, in the heat of the sun.
100% agree - went for a bike ride yesterday for the first since September, I was beaming the entire ride. Forgot how nice it is to get outside the house and away from the computer.
CBD is a very interesting substance. My main gripe is that, to get antidepressant and anxiolytic effects, dosages are higher than what can conveniently (and affordably) be achieved with the strength of currently available drops/flowers on the market.
Much more expensive than say a $5/mo Wellbutrin or Lexapro generic.
Now I still do it but it's hardly a positive for me personally. Of course I'm not saying you're wrong for yourself - just that there are alternative viewpoints that should be put out there.
[1] - https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abst...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yofewUE6L-k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l0S25DIxqw
> There is competition between the various amino acids for the transport system, so after the ingestion of a meal containing protein, the rise in the plasma level of the other large neutral amino acids will prevent the rise in plasma tryptophan from increasing brain tryptophan
So possible OP took it on an empty stomach which spiked the levels in the body?
I haven't used it in forever but when I did sort of just got accustomed to being itchy until it wore off. I've read that it can cause liver issues, though. I just quit taking pwo's altogether.
[1] - https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-326/l-trypt...
The reasons are:
- Trp transport into CNS is rate limited by large neutral amino acid (LNAAt) transporter
- Trp has a lower affinity for LNAAt than other amino acids
- Trp, 5HTP, serotonin are strongly buffered by blood plasma proteins
So, with a high protein meal, the isoleucine, phenylalanine etc. are outcompeting typtophan at getting into the brain. With a low protein meal, insulin triggers uptake of amino acids into tissue (again, preferentially stuff that's not Trp), and Trp in blood is enriched as it dissociates from plasma proteins. Then the composition of blood amino acids is mostly Trp so it is taken up by brain tissue.
[0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22677921 [1] http://wurtmanlab.mit.edu/static/pdf/1001.pdf
I've read in several places that 5-HTP is more effective when consumed with EGCG (green tea extract), but I'm not sure if this is just urban legend or if it has any real–world effects.
My guess is people with stress/gastro issues don't get the adequate serotonin for "normality"
If your gut has issues with absorbing fructose, then the free fructose seems to connect with tryptophan, which hinders the tryptophan from being absorbed.
I see you've mentioned you seem to have developed a tolerance. Mind sharing more detail on the above such as how long you have been taking the above and the dosage used for each, as well as the notice of tolerance of each etc.?
and L-Tryptophan (about a teaspoon) mixed with oil in the most evenings
I go on and off them sometimes if they're not doing much
But effectively yes, I would run out, not order any for a few weeks / months then order some.
For those interested in a practical approach to positive thinking, check out “How Full is Your Bucket” by Tom Rath and Donald Clifton [1]. They discuss the 5:1 ratio of positive to negative interactions and how it’s the key to a happy relationship [2].
[1] https://www.amazon.com/How-Full-Your-Bucket-Rath/dp/15956200...
[2] https://www.gottman.com/blog/the-magic-relationship-ratio-ac...
1) Think Happy Thoughts. 2) Bright Light Exposure. 3) Exercise. 4) Tryptophan.
1) PET/CT stimulation
2) Exposure to bright light
3) Exercise
4) Diet
I didn't find the definition for PET/CT in the article. It sounds like PET/CT scans.
There's certainly a good deal more to the topic you brought up as a whole, but those were a couple of interesting points from the article that I thought it addressed.
[1] https://www.thecut.com/2016/03/for-80-years-young-americans-...