United States, once tallest, has been overtaken by Netherlands since the 50s

Arabs/North Africans are also shorter. But I don't know how many the US has.

Yes. For example, most people that have ever seen any of the relevant statistics.

Yeah, I believe it. It may be slight, and depend quite a bit on the individual, but I believe it for the same reason I believe attractive people have advantages (and height is an attribute in attractiveness for many), including getting paid more, which is to say for a plethora of small reasons that make sense to me and all add up to the same conclusion.

Increased confidence in dealing with others, including negotiating pay. Increased physical capability. Favoratism. Any number of other things.

On the flip side, why wouldn't being more attractive provide benefits? Because people strive to always be rational and know their own biases so they can be fair? That's hardly how I see most people acting on a day to day basis. Because less attractive people will try to punish attractive people? Also not something I see often (or at all, really).

People have studied this. The effect is IIRC each inch of height for a man (within the sampled range) confers a 1-2% increase in income, after adjusting for other easily measured factors (race, education, hours worked, etc.)

To give a sense of scale, a 5'4" man faces a larger "height gap" than the adjusted gender gap for women.

There have been numerous studies showing how even extremely subtle things can influence people's perception. If you specifically asked someone "would you be willing to pay more for a good if you see unrelated expensive goods in the background?" Most people would say of course not. And yet studies show that the average person actually would be willing to pay more. I'd be shocked if something as blatantly obvious as height would have no impact on someone's perceived authority. Anecdotally, I can say that I find it much more natural to act as a leader around people who are shorter than me.

I would pay $25,000 for a proven-safe generic modification that made my son top 20% in height (excluding the absurd, above say 6’5”) or my daughter top 20% in “ideal figure.” Looks help people a lot in life.

I would think it’s innate. Being tall usually means physically more powerful, so it seems like an inherent advantage for mating.

It might be natural or innate. Even young children associate taller with good and shorter with bad. I forget where but there was a documentary where children were asked to associate qualities to stick figures. The children gave the taller stick figures the positive qualities and the shorter stick figures the negative qualities.

We know that adults definitely associate positive qualities with height. We know voters associate positive traits to taller candidate. And females do as well - assign more positive traits to the taller male.

The Dutch have gained 8 inches in height, on average, over the last 150 years. Americans meanwhile onl gained 6cm of height

'Natural selection'. From another, similar article:

Average-height women seemed to be favored when it came to having kids, even though taller women had kids who I'm sure the height of the average American has been lowered by immigration from typically shorter people from China, Mexicao, and India were more likely to survive. That, in turn, contributed to the reproductive success of tall men.

This may be against a TOS, but I'm sure if you changed your User Agent to match a common web crawler you would observe... something.

This finally broke. https://outline.com/sSMk7s

Some good people got murdered, so give your money to this big corporation? I don't follow.

As a quick reminder to readers of the parent comment, there are A LOT of details related to the Khashoggi murder that may invalidate the reference being made in the above comment. To elaborate more would take this discussion even more off-topic and likely would lead to a rapid gray-down and flagging of this comment.

The WSJ is owned by one of the wealthiest men in the world. Why are you begging people here to buy a subscription? If you can't make ends meeet, why not ask one of the riches men in the world to invest more in his company?

And for every journalist who died, millions of innocent people died from wars from lies pushed by these journalists. How much blood of the innocent are on the hands of the WSJ, NYT and Wapo just in the past 18 years?

If "Social Media" has been a gift to dictators, what do you think newspapers are? And what message are these journalists reporting? The message of the wealthy?

There is no denying that social media can be toxic and bad for society. But that goes for the WSJ, NYT and Wapo as well.

There have been tons of studies and reports noting how bad news is for you.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/apr/12/news-is-bad-ro...

Frankly, social media became toxic when it got overrun by journalists and the news industry. Politics and news is why social media is so toxic.

It's amazing how much taller second and third generation immigrants are than their parents/grandparents.

It's all diet. I'm ten inches taller than my grandfather and 7 inches taller than my dad. When I was a kid I remember my granda joking about eating 'white people food' like milk, peanut butter and jelly, and hamburgers, and that being why I got so tall.

I'd say for two reasons. Firstly, the article suggests that immigrants were controlled (whites and blacks compared) for so it appears this poster is commenting on something without even reading it, and secondly, the style of the comment makes it clear the commenter is a smug prick with a belief in their own smartness beyond their actual ability - nobody likes a smug prick who doesn't even read the article.

Netherlands is an exception. Most of the countries in the top 10 are extremely ethnically homogenous, and it has nothing to do with income. Montenegro (#2) is one of the poorest, and Norway (#4) is one of the richest.

If you looked at the tallest and the shortest nations in the world, you would see, that most of them are not ethnically diverse at all.

My point is, that the height of a person has nothing to do with the income, but rather with his anchestry.

And because the US is extremely etnically diverse, making any conclusions is pointless.