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YouTube unboxing and how it is changing the toy industry

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There is a precedent for regulating this sort of thing. Advertising to children is regulated to some form or another just about everywhere.

What's new and challenging here is that when a person simply posts a video they made on YouTube, that's freedom of expression. If I want to post videos of me unboxing things, there's nothing morally or legally wrong with that.

The grey zone is the money being traded between toy makers and video makers. As soon as money is exchanged, that should logically be considered sponsorship and be subjected to advertising laws.

Just because it's on YouTube doesn't change that a company is paying money to an entertainer to promote their products to children. There are already laws in place about this. It's only a matter of time before prosecutors get involved.

Of course, the toy companies know this and have factored in the legal risks into their calculations. YouTube will be able to skirt the issue because they're just a platform for other people's stuff, and they're not being paid for these sponsorships. The real risk is being taken by the content producers, who almost certainly don't realize how liable they may find themselves to be.

> The grey zone is the money being traded between toy makers and video makers. As soon as money is exchanged, that should logically be considered sponsorship and be subjected to advertising laws.

This strikes me as the obvious solution and really not all that gray. Kid posts video on Youtube? That's free speech. Kid posts video on Youtube and company pays them? That's now an ad, and can/should be regulated.

Throwing a wrench into all of this somewhat is Citizen's United saying money is speech... but that's a stupid ruling so let's interpret it as narrowly as possible.

This will be a fun supreme court decision when it happens in the next 10 years.

The third option is where Youtube runs ads on top of the unboxing videos or in line with it. You also have the issue where parents have to sign up children under the age of 13.

I could be wrong, but my understanding of most laws regarding advertising to kids is: It's OK to run ads on media consumed by kids (so long as those ads aren't for inappropriate things like alcohol or cigarettes or adult chat, etc). It's NOT OK to try and pressure/trick/cajole/persuade/influence or otherwise actually target those kids in the ads. It's a weird distinction, but it's what allows ads to still run on daytime television and during children's programming.

For example, you can have an ad that happens to show a toy being played with (I think). You can't have an ad that tells kids to ask their mom and dad to buy it right away.

There's a lot of nuance in between, but I've never bothered to master it because as a matter of principle I refused to be involved in any marketing aimed at kids. Life's too short to feel that kind of guilt.

I find that my kids get inappropriate ads on iPad games. Even though they have age restricted accounts per Apple, it looks like 3rd party ad providers are violating the law. I'm not sure how to address it..

Wasn’t there already some rule requiring people to disclose if they’re being paid?

Unboxing videos were one of the reasons YouTube got banned from our kids in my home. There really aren’t any redeeming qualities in those videos. Kids don’t learn anything and they were constantly asking me to buy the merchandise and crying when I said “no”. After a few rounds of this, YouTube got banned.

I just imagine armies of 2 and 3 year olds watching videos of toys they can never have. For some reason that makes me sad.

Well, we already watch reviews of $1k phones, $2k laptops and >$40k cars that many of us will never have.

yeah but we're not three years old afaik

Yeah, I think it was the Dad in me thinking of a 3 year old watching it and thinking "Wow that is cool" and not understanding why they can't have it.

> There really aren’t any redeeming qualities in those videos.

There are. I do solve rubiks cubes as a hobby, so when I look for a new puzzle, I watch unboxing videos of those on youtube. Its basically just a short review with some cardboard discarding at the beginning

I am referring to unboxing videos that are targeting kids. I myself watch unboxing videos for laptops and phones and find them useful.

It’s only the videos about things other people want that are useless, obviously.

Video games felt this first: games are made now to stream well; it is almost as important as gameplay for many studios.

Many games now even have a "streamer mode" that integrates with Twitch and lets viewers interact with the streamer through the game.

Looks like we will be seeing more loot-box type toys that are optimized for the box-opening experience rather than long term value.

It isn’t just toys - opening trading card booster boxes and packs is also very popular, especially when something rare is pulled :)

> especially when something rare is arranged to get pulled

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36702905

https://news.slashdot.org/story/19/01/04/2158259/youtubes-bi...

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/youtubers-charged-promoting-...

So we should expect kids toys to be significantly easier to unpackage in the future?

Or are unboxers armed with scissors, Stanley knives and wire cutters?

> The biggest change to come to the toy industry as a result of YouTube, though, is in packaging. Toy brands are riffing on the unboxing trend by developing special boxes or wrapping that specifically look good on camera, and by creating as many surprises as possible.

Nah, they are making the unboxing more elaborate.

It's gotten really bad. They sell toys with superfluous packaging on purpose now, toys where there's next to nothing fun to play with once they're unwrapped. You're left with a trash-bag full of plastic waste and a tiny, badly made, doll.

Or that fake snow stuff with mini jewel like square creatures in them.. or the pirates in the sand crap. I am amazed with how viral and successful they've become.

I don't mind elaborate. Its the melt bonded plastic packaging, with twist ties that you can't get to because of tape, cardboard and more plastic.

So elaborate would be fine, so long as I don't need a tool kit.

Elaborate can add a sense of joy. Whereas millions of cable ties to cut are just frustrating.

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