How being a bully fuels this trader's profits because of Google
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Also, while police do not care much about tales of repeated phone calls and harassment, they do care about counterfeiting (because congress makes them care). So she should report those guys to whichever FBI department deals with counterfeiting, and they might find themselves quickly in jail.
A very similar circumstance happened to me involving significantly less money. There are a few things I learned:
1) I have never seen a cardholder agreement that doesn't require all disputes to be done in writing.
2) This doesn't mean that the Customer Service Rep will tell you that in order to be fully compliant, you need to submit your claim in writing, nor does it mean that they will tell you anything other than "it's all set". If you're lucky, they might tell you that you should not pay the disputed portion of the bill.
It's not common sense because it's so rare to run into problems like this. Most people have never done a charge-back (I've done less than ten in my life and most were in the late 90s). It's incredibly important to research your terms when something like this arises and follow them carefully. For credit cards, the dispute process is usually written on the back of your statement.
Here's an example from a bill in my hand:
"If you think there is an error on your statement, write to us at:
<bank>
In your letter, give us the following information: Account information... Dollar amount... Description of problem...
You must notify us of any potential errors in writing (their emphasis).
You may call us, but if you do not we are not required to investigate any potential errors and you may have to pay the amount in question." (I used the billing mistake section, but the charge-back section is basically the same with a few more restrictions and refers to this process in its writing).
The reporter did a disservice in not explaining where Ms. Rodriguez may have faltered in her dealing with Citibank and not providing a few tips for people running into this sort of jerk (or jerk-company-response). My personal tip, make copies of everything you send including the envelope and send it certified mail. If you still get jerked around by a large corporation and you don't have hopes of getting your story written up in the New York Times, send a letter outlining your problem with a detailed timeline to the same corporate address (or a more appropriate one if you can find it) and include a CC: line with whatever regulatory body oversees the industry in question ... along with your local and state representative. That netted me a triple refund (disputed amount was $45) after two months of getting nowhere.
A huge percentage of contracts include clauses that are unenforceable, yet the provisions are included in the contract to give the credit card company any leverage it can get.
> Two weeks ago, a Citibank representative called Ms. Rodriguez and said that her refund would be restored. Ms. Rodriguez said no apology was offered.
So she should report those guys to whichever FBI department deals with counterfeiting ...
Actually, the Secret Service was formed for just this purpose. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Secret_Service#Ea...
Prompted from this article I googled this guy's site, and I gave his 800 phone number a call and gave him a piece of my mind. He is basically a hustling piece of trash.
His number is (800) 995-9373, just ask for customer service...
See some photos of storefronts here (some are totally legit like B&H, but you see some of the photos and names and you get the picture)
That being said, don't buy a suspiciously cheap camera from a store that's closed on Saturday unless you've done your due diligence. And even then you're taking a risk.
In general I have no evidence that Hasidic jews are any less ethical than any other group of people. At the same time there appears to be an ongoing problem of the ones in Brooklyn using their appearance of religiosity as a cover for committing crimes, especially related to selling stolen electronics and drug dealing. (Jesse Eisenberg was recently in a movie called Holy Rollers, which was about the latter problem.) Sure there are some people who are losing business due to being falsely stereotyped, but it's like 200 people as opposed to 200 million so the social consequences are fairly limited.
A more thorough investigation would have saved me the trouble. If you've never heard of a company, a significantly lower price from a high cost location is a definite warning sign.
The article has the quote "Mr. Borker described his business as fantastically profitable. At his home, that seems unlikely." and goes on to paint a dimmer picture of his prospects.
In the other thread about this article, I noted how this guy has the exact opposite of the Zappos customer service philosopy, and will likely end up reaping what he's sewn.
The sad thing is that many people don't look up a company they don't know. He's likely taking advantage of time-pressed or less savvy consumers.
So basically, he is using a marginal gain strategy of reselling other companies' stuff.
* Google (and competitors) Search is far from solved.
* Citi is a terrible bank. Big shocker.
* Amazon has awesome customer service, to the point of actually deterring bad sellers.
Sadly, this article highlights an abysmal failure of government and the free market -- with exception to Amazon.
Nofollow was a solution to spam on forums and comment pages (which didn't solve any problem for forums or blogs, since people spam nofollow ones regardless, but it solves a problem for search engines trying to decide which links on a blog were hand-placed with a minimum of work). It isn't obvious to me that everybody on the Internet should necessarily be up on current best practices for solving Google's problems, because most people do not put links into their web pages for the purpose of improving your link graph.
In this instance, if someone is running a consumer complaint site that is going to be linking to a bunch of semi-scuzzy businesses, it's reasonable for that specific niche of sites to ask themselves whether they want to add rel=nofollow on the links to the businesses that are being complained about.
In this case a bit of user education would go a long way, I don't just buy off random sites without checking them up online or getting a recommendation from someone I know.
Interesting to see that this submission made it to #3 while the original submission (same link - single page) isn't on the top page :)
Having seen people submit stories here with awful headlines and then wonder why they didn't take off so many times, it no longer surprises me that most people can't write good titles..
Yet, I'd say you're being unfair to the person who made the original submission. That person didn't "write" the title. They used the same title that the newspaper story has.
On a bad day, writing your own title (as is the case for this submission) can get you angry comments from readers. (That said, I personally agree with you that sometimes it makes sense to write your own title instead of using the title used by the newspaper )
Writing a title to better fit the gamut of HN interests without making it inaccurate/false/salacious isn't gratuitous and unlikely to be spin.
javascript:(function(){C=document.cookie.split(";%20");for(d="."+location.host;d;d=(""+d).substr(1).match(/\..*$/))for(sl=0;sl<2;++sl)for(p="/"+location.pathname;p;p=p.substring(0,p.lastIndexOf('/')))for(i%20in%20C)if(c=C[i]){document.cookie=c+";%20domain="+d.slice(sl)+";%20path="+p.slice(1)+"/"+";%20expires="+new%20Date((new%20Date).getTime()-1e11).toGMTString()};window.location.reload()})()What doesn't make sense, though, is that the banks don't care that their Cardholders are being abused intentionally. That can't be good for their business, so I'm surprised that they don't go after him. Physical threats and fake lawsuits also sound like things that will get you into trouble. I have a feeling that this "business model" is going to end with some time in prison, which makes it questionably useful long-term.
The article claims that Amazon doesn't put up with this bullshit; why does everyone else?
(I have half a mind to order some glasses from this guy just to get him to threaten to sue me. It will be fun to show up in court and serve him with my countersuit.)
I just checked the source code, though, and there's no "nofollow."
Bugger just got away with more of what he was looking for - ranking in Google.
http://img.skitch.com/20101128-f4iwgixrk3wi3pyxudw73r53xe.me...
http://www.mattcutts.com/images/christian-audigier-glasses.p...
As you can see, the official website has three of the top four results in that case. In essence, you're asking [brandname X] to return brandname.com when the word X doesn't actually appear anywhere on site. That's fundamentally a hard query. We have made progress on queries like that, and certainly folks at Google are talking about how to do better on such queries in the future.
"FYI, an Amazon affiliate called "Eyewear Country", has the address of 56 Beaumont St. in Brooklyn, same as DecorMyEyes.com. Just an observation" - Cindy's Master in Nytimes.com http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2010/1...
Ideally, Google's search results would include up votes/down votes like reddit along with comments on the page.
It's nowhere to be seen in Duck Duck Go.
Bing seems to just be copying Google, both its good and bad results, which is disappointing. Given that everyone is optimizing for Google and not (as much) for Bing, it shouldn't be hard for Bing to do better.
+1 backlink from nytimes.com, a pr9 site.
“Just throw in ‘designer eyeglasses,’ ‘designer eyewear’ and a couple different brand names,” he says, “and I’m all set.”
All of which, they did. Shameful.
He's obviously broken criminal, not just civil laws, they are just harder to prove. One would be identity theft by calling credit card companies as other people.
That he gets Google hits or publicizes his scams otherwise is rather secondary.
This could have been a story about him gaming the Yellow Pages by getting 18 phone numbers and 18 business names in 18 sections, each name prefixed with 18 'a's.
All the internet assures is that his customers will get the product home before checking it for quality, and that the customers are less likely to be local - but that doesn't seem to intimidate him in the least.
Not that the story doesn't highlight a serious flaw in google's search, but that's the least of the story for me.
"The customer is always right - not here, you understand?" he says, raising his voice. "I hate that phrase - the customer is always right. Why is the merchant always wrong? Can the customer ever be wrong? Is that not possible?"
I suspect (hope) that such a lack of imagination will ultimately curb his success. You don't treat your customers well purely for your customers' benefit...
I am amazed that no-one has enthusiastically gone to address his
behaviour in person
Based on the limited sample in the article, it may be that he generally targets women for this kind of harrassment.I'm curious what caused them to choose 1995 as the birth of online commerce. It wasn't paypal's founding. That was in 98.
Wikipedia says amazon.com was founded both in 1994 and 1995.
Or maybe Windows 95?
The second company to try to make money on the web was Netscape. It was founded in 1994, however its IPO was in 1995. So that is two reasons why 1995 is important at the beginning of online commerce.
http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/report_badware/ http://www.phishtank.com/ http://toolbar.netcraft.com/
EDIT: You can also report them to McAfee Secure and Authorize.net. I don't think they are happy about having a scamming merchant using their logos.
If this had happened to me it would have actually been enough to make him my new favorite target. Judging by a quick purview of the source of his page it probably wouldn't have ended up pretty well for him either.
But what I meant was that some sort of an editorial process would help in these situations, and the people that usually get up in arms about organic results and anti-trust should accept that this falls under first amendment rights and can be very useful in improving results.