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Comment by milankragujevic | Hacker News Reader

I knew of that 9 months ago, but nobody was interested so I dropped it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17329825

I wonder how often this kind of comments fall through the cracks like this. Happened to me too with something privacy related about one of the big Corps that then was noticed by everyone else a few weeks later...

I agree with others, better open a "Tell HN" in this cases.

Happens with a lot of posts, if they don't reach a critical mass of upvotes early on. In this case probably nobody could verify, if the claims were correct.

Maybe we should add a new topline category, "threat reports"?

I actually like that option, it would allow us to filter and extract the info as well. I could see a nice little app on my phone where i could setup alerts based on the systems / apps i choose, and getting a notification if one of them where tagged. A little bit like Have I been pawned, but with software and hardware threats.

This seems outside of HN remit, but definitely worth being a site of its own with an RSS feed. I feel this should be curated not based on community voting.

US-CERT is already a thing. But we all hang out here. I think this community has a special collection of talents that could foster positive relationships with the larger society.

Somewhat related subreddit https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec

There is a new feature on HN these days to fix this: If a post get upvotes later, it will often be given a second chance to ‘try to shine’ to the front page.

With this comment I think it was to hard for people to understand in the first place.

It's not if a post gets upvotes later, but rather if a moderator or a small number of story reviewers notice that it was a good post that didn't get attention. We've been doing it for quite a while now https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11662380. The long term plan is still to open this up to all users, not just a few, but we still haven't figured out a good way to do that.

I've found that sometimes a "why was this downvoted" response to an irrationally downvoted question can turn it from grayed out to black again.

Herd mentality for sure.

Your title wasn't really great honestly, unfortunately this community is often based first impressions.

Or more bluntly: click bait wins. Now you don’t get away with taboola style headlines here, they have to be more sophisticated, but they need to grab interest.

Click bait is an unfortunate reality but I think it's possible to create decent titles that are not just misleading. Personally I think this OP might even be a bit too much, but milankragujevic's was plain confusing.

In this case, it's not click bait that is winning.

> Nokia phones sent identifiable data to Chinese server

isn't click bait, but simply much more clear and to the point than

> Ask HN: HMD Global (Nokia) is acting shady Any recourse?

I got most of my karma through «clickbait» stuff. If you manage to post something like the Apple annual report, you can get a million free points basically. You just gotta be quick.

Clear headlines that put the most salient information in the headline are not clickbait. The headline on this post is not clickbait.

thank you for the previous post, really. it's frustrating to be ignored when you are right.

a lot of this industry (in particular web and mobile technologies) survives thanks to systematic privacy violations. it's nice to keep the eyes wide open.

The ask hacker news section isn't really a good avenue for discussion unless it's a general topic like:What's a good framework? or Give me an easy idea to make money.

Best thing to do would have been to contact tech sites with the info. Like The register would definitely do an article about it.

> The ask hacker news section isn't really a good avenue for discussion

I think "Tell HN:" is for such cases, but it's just not as popular.

I think you didn't know that data was being sent. From what I read, you just had suspicions, which is a big difference.

I have a work device that is a Nokia 8. I see the evenwell apps too.

Were you able to forcefully uninstall these via adb?

Wow, this is interesting. I’ve sent you an email.

Ouch. One of those times when it sucks to be right, I guess...

What model? 5,6,7? Or you think all?

I have a Nokia 3 and a Nokia 7.0 Plus, both had a bunch of com.evenwell.* packages installed.

I think all HMD devices have those packages.

Would love to speak to you about this. Can you send me an email? henrik.lied [at] nrk.no

Send you a mail from a newly created mail account.

How do I generate a list like this?

More specifically:

  adb shell pm list packages

You can sort it alphabetically by piping it through the "sort" command, like this:

  adb shell "pm list packages | sort"

It's also really hard to read your writing when what should be an entire paragraph is one sentence.

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