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This is the USA, I'm surprised he wasn't shot. Not joking at all, your story is actually kinda funny but it could have gone so much worse at so many points.

Is that AirBnB's fault? Is it the hosts fault? Is it the cities fault for not regulating this? Is it our society's fault for allowing drinking to the point of forgetting your address?

I think in the end it's just a series of unfortunate events, that give you a really great anecdote, which might have turned out much worse. I wouldn't claim this as evidence for or against AirBnB but man did it make me laugh.

Good on you for de-escalating the situation and keeping your head! Hopefully, Trey had the decorum to apologize later on and try to make things right.

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Despite what the media tries to tell you, shooting people in the US is not common. The media has an agenda on you thinking otherwise.

Correct, I should have not said shot and more said had a gun waiving at him.

I would say however, that while shootings are rare in the US, so are events where people run to grab a weapon. We can agree that the prevalence of guns means there is a high chance a gun is the most dangerous weapon available.

I would guess that in events where there is banging on a house guns are "involved" more in the USA than in other countries. It'd be hard to collect that data because a gun in the hand of one person can quickly de-escalate a situation.

Guns are common in the US, but most gun owners are not out looking for a chance to use them. Even those who support carry their gun with them everywhere do not pull their gun just because they can, and most have enough training to not pull their gun too soon. (pulling a gun can defuse the situation when the other party realizes it is serious, but it can also escalate the situation when the other turns to the fight side of fight of flight)

In my neighborhood (SF Mission) there's a shooting at least once a week... seems like mostly on Sundays. So it just depends where in the U.S. you're living.

Chicago had 561 murders in 2018. That's 1.5 murders a day.

Chicago had 2948 shooting victims in 2018. That's 8 shooting victims a day.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/chicago-murder-total-2018-...

To someone living in Europe, these rates defy belief.

yea but its fucking chicago. inner cities suck in the us.

The vast majority of shootings in Chicago do not happen in the inner city (aka the Loop). Most of these are on the South side and West side of the city

We're just glad everyone got home!

I don't think Airbnb is a bad thing by any means; it's our go-to for day trips in many cases. I can also understand the need for cities having licencing and/or residency rules!

> Is that AirBnB's fault?

He wouldn't have been there if it wasn't for AirBNB. He likely could have asked the concierge at the hotel he was staying at for help finding his room in his drunken state.

He also wouldn't be there if his friend wasn't getting married and he didn't go to a bachelor party, along with a million other vendors and people he interacted with prior to getting irresponsibly inebriated and harassing a stranger. Regardless of Airbnb's legality or whatnot, the blame in this specific story lies simply on the person who chose to get too drunk.

Agreed. We had a similar situation in my town a few years back. The homeowner shot and killed a drunken intruder in the middle of the night. It turned out to be a drunk college student who didn’t know where they were. The homeowner was charged, but later acquitted by a jury.

I was glad to hear the jury agreed that the action was appropriate.

Drinking to excess has consequences, including death. Either from liver failure or lead poisionong.

That escalated quickly

So does rocking around without your recorder running...being blackout drunk is stupid, so you'd better be good at being stupid...

He also wouldn't have been there if it wasn't for: The Host, Himself, air travel?, bachelor party?, bars he visited, brands of alcohol he drank, Uber who took him to the wrong address, His parents, his grand parents.

What if instead of the host using AirBnB he was just a local Bed and Breakfast (those existed before AirBnb). Who's fault is it then?

I forget the term for it, but there is a legal definition that limits liability in a lot of these kinds of cases because it can get very broad. I personally, find your assertion that AirBnB is to blame to be too broad. I can easily think of a situation that this same scenario happens without AriBnB.

This individual fucked up, the situation was handled really well by the OP and a few others.

Conversely, I'd say that from the article AirBNB fighting regulation and to not pay taxes is their fault.

Trey got too drunk. Trey couldn't remember where he was staying. Trey tried (unwittingly) to break into the poor woman's house. hell, Trey was the one who decided to go to the wedding in the first place. it's Trey's fault.

it doesn't seem like you actually disagree, but I wasn't sure where to put this post in the somewhat disjointed thread.

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