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I assume Intel realized this "partnership" was not worth China stealing all of its IP and designs only to come up with a competing product that 90% as good and half the price a couple of years later?

If only more companies realized the same. Not that this means they won't have to protect themselves against China's relentless IP stealing.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/30/tech/samsung-china-tech-t...

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I assume Intel realized this "partnership" was not worth China stealing all of its IP and designs only to come up with a competing product that 90% as good and half the price a couple of years later?

Not a couple of years later. A couple of hours later.

http://www.unisoc.com/unisoc-launches-5g-technology-platform...

Don't forget the Nortel situation...

https://outline.com/879RCq

also worth reading: https://www.wired.com/story/ai-cold-war-china-could-doom-us-...

Holy shit, that picture at the top is the most propaganda-brainwashed-picture I have seen since looking at old cold war pictures. As if the US is in a good vs. evil fight. Well it might be, but on which side?

Well, the Chinese government is bad but the us is led by people who are chaotic evil, increasing the chance for the us do immoral things - and it's not like things such as supporting Saudi Arabia in Yemen started with our current loser leader. The citizens of most countries would probably like to be free of concern about the world ending or pointless wars. Unfortunately both places have sizable groups of nationalistic-oriented people who are hugely pumped up about saying "their country" is the world's greatest, exceptional, etc, so bellicose comments have too much support.

While we are tearing apart our democracy in the us step by step, we'll eventually get a different leader who is more interested in doing useful things and less interested in a cult of personality and less interested in doing any venal thing to get support for his base. Meanwhile, China is stuck with a dear leader for life. The country grows ever more powerful, but also is increasing in it's terrifying Orwellian oversight. I'm afraid that China will show it's possible to watch everyone all the time and crush freedom and then other western authoritarian leaders will follow suit.

Lawful evil is still evil.

I'd argue the US and China have more chaotic/lawful neutral elements, at least with the former valuing nobody above themselves and breaking the laws when convenient, and the latter's obsession with stability at the cost of freedom. It would be hard to say either's political leaders take pleasure in doing and spreading evil every waking moment. At least per the below anyway, surely there are counterarguments too: http://easydamus.com/alignment.html#theninealignments

That seems more like a problem of interpretation...

Agree with this, but I have no idea what the out-of-proportion people climbing on Mt. Rushmore are supposed to be about.

It's less propaganda and more like an image salad.

Not really sure, either. But also the running assumption that `blue=good` and `red=bad`. I mean, otherwise trains and bicycles don't emblazon "bad" to me... I don't get it.

It seems telling to me that someone would make out that one frame was inherently "good" while the other was inherently "evil".

I perceived it as anyone can climb their way up to be a President of the United States.

They largely won’t because they’re all short term motivated.

>I assume Intel realized this "partnership" was not worth China stealing all of its IP and designs only to come up with a competing product that 90% as good and half the price a couple of years later?

No, the US realized they're in a trade war with China, and companies follow suit on their master's orders on both sides.

Not saying anything for or against, but whose laws are being broken since it is considered theft?

Patent laws which the US happily ignored while its economy was developing and collecting IP. China will also soon be at a point where they’ll be more interested in protecting their IP against developing countries

So basically the thinking is that China is bad/evil because it doesn't follow US law? Does it also count as bad/evil when the US dowsn't follow Chinese law?

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