Why you think you’re right, even when you’re wrong (2017)
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I do wish it were more politically acceptable for politicians to adopt this mindset. Without espousing a side of "Democrat" vs "Republican", it feels like the world views admitting that you are incorrect as a sign of weakness, or "flip-flopping",
It's not really a liberal or conservative thing, either. Someone making a passionate progressive speech is going to appeal to those inclined that way more than someone making a careful, nuanced progressive argument.
Politicians know this and so will always hedge towards appearing decisive and "strong".
That’s something on which I have never actually settled my opinion. One month I conclude “nope, unit testing takes too long and offers no net benefit”. The next, I switch - “unit testing is glorious and helps push errors down significantly”.
Part of the reason why my answer to most questions is “I don’t know” or “It depends”.
I try to take the approach that everything I think I know is correct, but that I need to reevaluate when presented with new information, and I constantly look for new information to disprove what I know. The subtle difference here is that I assume I'm right, which gives me confidence. I used to doubt everything, which led me to being very noncommittal and unconfident.
It's important to question your assumptions, but it's harmful if you completely distrust them.
Maybe we just have to accept that part of the experiment of living in a democratic and free society is allowing people to create their own values, and accepting that people are going to get it wrong. Their values are going to conflict with ours, and that's good because we need to be sure our values are actually worth holding.
If the foot soldier cannot be trusted to place the Drayfus in prison without having to look through all the evidence himself, he's a useless soldier.
Similarly, if the Scout is told to believe there's always a bridge if you need it, and is gone for months trying to find a bridge over the river, he's a useless scout.
Often, the best leaders have a bit of both - open mindedness to find the best solution until they've made the decision, then steadfastness to defend that decision.
There is a difference between choosing your values and choosing your facts. We have a big problem in not being able to distinguish the difference between our opinions and facts - and values are more akin to opinions than facts.
There isn't a problem with people coming up with different values. The problems start to arise when you're not willing to be wrong about those values, especially when you start ignoring facts that contradict those values.
In the age of the internet when you can find a community online that values almost any non-sense this is going to be increasingly hard. I can agree with that.
And I can agree that we do need to come together and agree on some base minimum values, but we have to accept that we need some people in society challenging them. If there's one thing that human history has shown it's we sometimes don't realize when we hold toxic values. We need people challenging them to be sure that the values we hold are actually good.
I feel like the assumption in the article is that neither is right, but that the scout is searching for right, and the solider is defending right.
> Seems like the author has already come to the conclusion that its always going to be right. Doesn't that just bring us back to the mindset of the soldier?
I don't think so. The mindset distinction isn't between right and wrong, both types prefer to be right. The distinction is whether you're a motivated defender of an idea in spite of the evidence, or whether you're searching for truth and willing to change your position.
If you think about this in just pure statistical probabilities, who's more likely to be right at any given time, the person who is certain they're right, or the person who has changed their mind to favor the evidence?
It feels like this might even be related to the Monty Hall problem to me; once you have some evidence that something's wrong, there's a distinct statistical advantage to changing your mind, even when you don't know and you're choosing randomly.
If it is sort of probability based than it can't be right or wrong, just sort of incomplete until we observe the consequences of the action. More often than not the scout will probably be right, and I can concede that. But that doesn't imply that the soldier will always be wrong either.
Completely agree! I maybe implied too strongly that soldiers claim to be right against contrary evidence, which isn't what Julia said. Not only are soldiers often right, people often defend their stance and stop looking for the right answer precisely because they are right and know it. The risk is just that sometimes that decision is made prematurely.
Personally, I probably revert to soldier when I think I'm being a scout more often than I want to admit.
>Julia Galef is a writer and co-founder of the Center for Applied Rationality, a nonprofit organization devoted to helping people improve their reasoning and decision-making, particularly with the aim of addressing global problems. She is also the host of the Rationally Speaking podcast.
Before you answer the latter, ask yourself when was the last time you admitted to someone you were wrong about something significant to you both? Can you do so more often?
[1] http://longnow.org/seminars/02018/sep/12/soldiers-and-scouts...
From the book "Being Wrong" by Kathryn Schulz. I highly recommend it!
People who actually thought about this tended to pretty quickly figure out that the only shape that works is the globe, a big ball. They estimated how big it was. The ancient Greek estimates are pretty good. The result was disheartening if your employer was an emperor because the globe was much bigger than their empire. Still, you could point out that maybe most of it is just ocean.
Most people didn't think about it at all. Seriously insisting that you believe the Earth is flat, generally as part of some larger grand conspiracy theory, is a modern phenomenon.
This debate is (somehow) still raging, in case you didn't know.
So the author has definitely heard the term "confirmation bias". Why make up a new term for it?
"Motivated reasoning" has it's own Wikipedia page: it's fine to talk about it as something distinct from cognitive bias. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motivated_reasoning
I think you will need to make a much stronger case if you want to convince anyone that this distinction is not useful (and that, therefore, the dismissive comment I initially replied to was justified.)
That association does not in itself, of course, give her any accreditation, but she's widely regarded as somebody who takes the philosophy of science seriously, including by organizations like the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry (formerly CSICOP).
Having heard her speak many times on her podcast, I'd say she's not the greatest interviewer or the most insightful thinker. But she is more than competent in the domain.
Biases are built in, it takes effort to be rational.
In psych they call this confirmation bias. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
Scott Adams wrote a fantastic book on the subject, in the context of Trump's election to the Presidency. https://www.amazon.com/Win-Bigly-Persuasion-World-Matter/dp/...