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What happens if a woman goes to passport control without the app? Is she allowed to pass through?

It’s basically up to the person running passport control that day but first of all they also need their other travel documents like their passport if they are flying internationally.

They are often not allowed access to them (Not denied access in any legal sense, but their families will “look after” the documents making it hard to gain access to such documents). But if it’s the case of a foreign national returning home their home country can provide emergency travel documentation and help see the person thought passport control.

But if they are not a foreign national, they have little options. They will often (but not always) try and contact the legal guardian of the woman (if they are not already present, but as you said without the app. I presume they are also travelling without their “legal guardian”) and return the women to their family if they are instructed to do so by them.

Holy shit, I can't believe this is happening in the 21st century.

Technology only gives you gadgetry, not morals. Hasn't anyone in Silicon Valley realized this yet? They're building a huge technological cage to control the masses.

A coworker literally said this in response to me raising objections over Saudi investment: "I believe Chomsky remarked that socially responsible investing is a contradiction in terms." And I must say, the logic is impeccable: money is incompatible with morals, therefore morals are worthless.

There's far more egregious things. For instance in Western Africa there remains massive child slavery. The reason this is relevant, as if it wasn't by itself, is that that slavery is then facilitated in bringing you your tasty chocolate treats from companies such as Nestle, Hersheys, Mars, and more. This has been going on for decades and has been brought to court multiple times - the companies always win with generally negligible media coverage. Lack of media coverage notwithstanding, AP did run a new piece on it... 3 days ago. [1] Seafood is another huge industry where you see lots of slavery in its harvesting and production. Incidentally, Nestle also shows up there with their Purina brand.

This is not a 'what about chocolate or seafood' but a general frustration I have with people today. They (and this is not directed at you) are grossly misinformed on the state of the world, even though the information is more readily available than ever before. They protest completely inane stuff like it's the end of the world, while completely ignoring the tremendous human rights abuses throughout the world that continue to this very day. If people shined a light on these 24/7 it's possible that something could happen. Even back to Saudi Arabia, not only is there their treatment of women but they still literally crucify people, still literally execute people for "witchcraft and sorcery", and much more. These stories do receive one off coverage, but nothing compared to e.g. a scientist who wore a shirt with some scantily clad girls. Makes all of 'social media justice' look like little more than a bunch of useful idiots. [2]

[1] - https://www.apnews.com/571f1acc466f4f89866d31ae094f1601

[2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot

In an ironic coincidence it seems that AP has now removed that article from their site with no notice or explanation. It is still available in Google's cache -- swap to text-only or disable scripts to avoid AP's script from killing it on load. This [1] seems to be the same article. That link is also available on archive.org [2] should it be the case that the articles are facing legal threats from the chocolate industry.

[1] - https://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/commentary/article/Chil...

[2] - https://web.archive.org/web/20190209104955/https://www.mysan...

This is a country that literally crucifies, beheads, and stones people to death as a form of judicially sanctioned execution. A country where sorcery is a crime on the books (actively enforced, too), and atheists are officially designated to be terrorists.

This is a country that simply should not exist.

Actually, foreign nationals on work visas can't exit even with a valid passport if they don't have an exit permit:

https://www.justlanded.com/english/Saudi-Arabia/Articles/Vis...

The reporting is pretty clear that the app isn't used to cross the border and is not intended to be used by women at all.

Im pretty sure it updates something on the government side. If it didn’t, the only value to this app would be for creating an uproar.

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