Also: it's possible to have a definition of success which excludes users of the proprietary driver. We don't have the same value system.
>the [...] most powerful graphics cards in the world?
Citation needed? And the highest of the high end graphics cards are excessive vanity most of the time, you don't need the tip-top to play any modern game at any settings you want.
Yes, Nvidia are not great when it comes to OSS, but like it or not, for doing real work in ML, scientific computing, or video and photo editing, Nvidia with CUDA is simply a much better experience and much more broadly supported.
While I don't think it should be the job of wlroots/sway to fix Nvidia's less than ideal driver chain, I think it is important to remember that a lot of people get a lot of productive work done on with Nvidia cards and would love to get rid of some of the pain of X while still being able to use their high end GPUs for both work and graphics.
It seems fairly clear with with MacOS focusing less and less on high end machines, there is a gap for high end unix workstations and hopefully desktop Linux can fill that gap, but right now that likely means Nvidia support... I think the best answer is just to buy amd and market forces will get Nvidia to change, but that still doesn't mean everyone can just go that path right now to get their day job done.
Fine. If you do these things, stay on X.
>While I don't think it should be the job of wlroots/sway to fix Nvidia's less than ideal driver chain, I think it is important to remember that a lot of people get a lot of productive work done on with Nvidia cards and would love to get rid of some of the pain of X while still being able to use their high end GPUs for both work and graphics.
I honestly just don't care. They should boycott Nvidia and find something else to do with their time if they really want better support from Wayland. I'm not going to bend over for Nvidia. Ever.
The people who demand change are wrong too, I am super happy people like you are doing what you do, otherwise this OSS thing really would never work.
But to be clear, while I think your stance is completely reasonable and justified, it is just a hard pill for some people to swallow. That doesn't mean that those who are jerks about it are justified, but it also doesn't mean that those who raise concerns, that those concerns aren't warranted.
This is a very dismissive attitude that embodies the problem with Wayland. Millions of gamers absolutely do need that acceleration they paid for, it's not "vanity".
> We don't have the same value system.
I just want a usable Linux desktop that leverages the hardware in my machine. The "values" here seem to be: we acknowledge the extra work required to support mainstream graphics cards, we just don't want to do it and it's really your fault as a user for buying it/asking us to support it.
>it's really your fault as a user for buying it/asking us to support it.
Yes, I'm soooo sorry that I don't want to do free work to help you prop up a company that lives to make me suffer as a developer...
I'm clearly exagerrating here but I hope the point is made. Like the article says, just keep using X, I don't care.
If you are wondering why people are pissed about wayland, its precisely awful attitudes like this that sweep aside their real concerns and use cases with broken ideas that don't work, have never worked, and likely never will work.
Don't expect people to be on board when you so blatantly don't care about their needs.
You can keep using X with Nvidia. It's not my problem.
There is a ton of dishonesty underlying your arguments, and you sure as hell don't do any favors for Wayland, or how people perceive it when you use dishonest bs like this.
I don't have a horse in this race because I still do all my gaming on Windows (literally the only reason I still have a win10 license), but I think this is generally true. Up until last year I was playing current titles on a GTX-660Ti on high settings (not ultra) and was getting very reasonable performance. I now have a 1070 and a 4k monitor and it can play all the titles I own on ultra settings in 1440p @ 60 hz. It can't really push ultra in 4k @ that refresh rate, but I think people who need those settings are a pretty small minority at this point. It's important to remember that the market for desktop computer games has taken a back seat to the console market for a long time. Many, if not most, current AAA titles are developed for consoles first, and consoles are all running hardware that is a couple of years old at this point. Anyway, keep up the good work!
It works beautifully with sway. Less so with KWin for me at least, although apparently NVIDIA are doing some work to fix that.
Reclocking support on recent GPUs is also a problem for anything that wants full performance - they really need to sort that out. I get that this is hard to do.
This whole situation is just really annoying and it must be immensely frustrating to be on the end of a lot of the complaints especially when the position of the sway developers not wanting to essentially write it twice just for NVIDIA support is totally reasonable.