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> "...especially WordPress deployments."

I've done enough WP to certainly agree with you. However, I don't think it's fair to judge PHP by how WP has abused it.

WP problem is its desire to sacrifice code quality and best practices for market share. That is, many things don't get refactored (into something OOP based) because there might be backwards compatibility issues. Again, this isn't PHP's fault.

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I'm not all out against PHP. I've used, and still do, on occasion for simple things and prototyping.

That said, I'll never go out of my way to use it for much else—let alone serving and routing something public-facing ever again.

Checkout Laravel, it powers some Fortune 100 sites -- it's definitely "large-site" capable.

Laravel performance is abysmal, though. You're gonna spend 10x on server costs if you use a fully featured framework in PHP.

Not a fan of PHP, but people argued convincingly that server costs are very low compared to developers.

I did one project in Laravel. I was impressed. That said, it takes WP to the opposite extreme. That is, it is has little regard for backwards comparability. Finding answers / examples via The Google is messy and frustrating, at least for someone who was new to Laravel.

I like that it's forward-thinking, but it moves so fast that it has negative impact on user (i.e., dev) experience.

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