What would you suggest the alternative is? I think the real problem is that society is coming to terms with the fact that anonymous free speech isn't all it's cracked up to be.
Does there need to be one? This site seems to manage to avoid it. Quite how you get into the situation reddit did is mystifying to me.
I completely agree that anonymous free speech is not the ideal it sounds.
If we are going to be reasonable a better comparison would be comparing this site to a single heavily moderated subreddit.
As an extreme you have subreddits like https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/ if you look into the comments you will see a lot of "[ Removed ]" threads. https://i.imgur.com/Q7mXkPd.png
Other subreddits are purposefully not moderated as heavily. It's entirely up to whoever runs it to moderate how they see fit.
Reddit will also ban subreddits for hosting content that some people may think is "bad", but definitely not illegal. Not that I miss /r/shoplifting, but the discussion itself wasn't illegal. They also banned legal things like firearm schematics and r/brassswap
Reddit has also had a problem with anti-religious hate content, which isn't necessarily left wing except that the hate is often pointed at uncultured, socially conservative stereotypes.
Thanks for the reply in any case. It is enlightening to hear what someone else's viewpoints are on where the current left/right ideological divide is these days. Sometimes it feels like we are in crazyland.
I personally try to avoid the religious stuff because I'm ignostic (commonly misheard as agnostic and I don't usually correct because it gets some folks a little bothered), but just a couple weeks ago we dropped off our kids with grandma for a weekend and when they came home they were telling us all about how grandma told them God this, Jesus that, etc. sigh. If I complain, I look like the asshole, but dammit, why do people think it's okay to proselytize to elementary aged kids that are not their own? So I can almost understand when people get a little nuts with the anti-religious viewpoint, even though I don't advocate namecalling and ridiculing others for their belief or lack thereof.
This is the false dichotomy so often pushed by right-wing ideologues. Literally nobody on any side of the abortion debate advocates for "abortions up to a week after birth" or anywhere close to that. This sort of boolean thinking is the root of our (especially current) toxic political climate.
I think your reaction to this is the very problem you're trying to describe, but, to each their own.
Hell, the fact they won't change r/politics to a more accurate name and remove it from the front page shows you exactly who Reddit caters to.
They will cry foul and get plenty of attention.
A while back, a far right sub got closed. People were kind of lost as always happens when moderators take a sub private.
Others, and this happened during the heay of the 2016 election, offered up a space. A thread on a definitely not far right sub.
Was, "have a beer, tell us about it" essentially. No judgement, just a place to talk past frustration.
The chatter that night was interesting. Relations were permenantly improved. Some of the "far" was also rolled off. (I was there, ran that little experiment and followed users and discussion for a time afterword.)
Aaron was passionate about this effect. Reddit, in general, used to be. When people talk broadly, things improve.
When they get contained, things amplify.
Reddit sees people with interests, things to say. Others, including some moderators at Reddit, sees groups of people.
That clash is not talked about as much as it should be.
Humanizing others different from us is something Reddit has done well. When it is done, the state of conflict improves. Reddit has also contained discussion, and amplified the toxic too. Ugly stuff.
We all run the same basic way, and we all have more in common than we often recognize, or admit.
One other thing:
A very toxic shitpost sub got to hating on a community I moderated. Two of us decided to make some friends.
For a month, we would rate their toxicity, employ good humor, laugh with, etc...
Amazingly, this worked far better than we expected. Soon, there were people in that toxic mess rooting for us, and it became increasingly difficult for the sub to be toxic and believe it had impact.
As the tipping point approached, we got banned, and the shitposts to follow fell flat. Everyone saw how ugly it was and our humor was missed.
They quit after that. The friends remained, some left the toxic haven.
Now, there are people like you and me that have the same bad taste for "far lefties", and in general, "those other people."
What we community managers, app builders, data scientists should be doing is finding ways to exploit the effects I put here.
And we should be making tools to foster better communication.
Those tools are software, and giving people options, making them aware of their own agency in dialog.
The former has only limited success as many communities will show. Blocks, bans, other things...
When combined with empowering people to take charge of their interactions, weigh what others say, it is a whole new game.
I have applied these to communities who end up very troll resistant and able to communicate across broad swaths of humanity.
Righteous indignation is not the only way to respond to toxic speech. In fact, it is often the very worst, yet the domimant exchange is indignation, largely for the often set expectations encouraging it.
Some rando says something toxic and when weighted, it is laughable, pathetic. It for sure is not meaningful.
Trolling works on righteous indignation.
Free hugs, humor, empathy, and more all snuff it out.
The same goes for very different worldviews. Make some friends, have a common human basis and those differences begin to melt.
Frankly, I see 3 billion being used to sell shit, get user data.
Shame that some of it is very unlikely to be used to improve communications and add some real value along the way.
Edit: Reddit is an amazing playform to run the social dynamics experiments. Lots to be learned there for those who go looking.
I would hope you don't have a bad taste from right leaning economics. Not even China can deny the power of Free Markets.