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1. Refugees are not migrants. 2. A few thousands refugees almost broke Europe (excluding Germany and Sweden). Extreme right on the rise pretty much everywhere (including Germany and Sweden). And we're talking about the richest countries in the World. Compare that with Colombia, Jordan, Lebanon to name but 3 countries.

> The US alone accepts one million immigrants per year.

"of whom about 600,000 are Change of Status who already are in the U.S". However, it's not about immigration.

How many Syrian/Libyan/Afghan/Venezuelan/Iraqi _refugees_ did the US take in the last 5 years? (You've probably noticed that the examples I cited are not random).

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'A few thousand refugees' is an interesting way of putting it. "From July 2015 to May 2016, more than 1 million people applied for asylum in Europe.": http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/06/15/immigrant-sh...

This is all on top of an already significant immigrant population - in Germany alone there are 19.3 million people with immigrant background: https://www.dw.com/en/german-population-with-immigrant-backg...

The vast majority of the refugees in Europe are in 2 countries: Germany and Sweden. Read my comment above. The rest of European countries, including France and central Europe, essentially reacted by voting for populists (borderline fascists in some countries).

Your second comment on Germany is totally irrelevant.

And 1 million people for Europe is nothing considering the total population and wealth of the union. As I write in the comment you ignored: some of the poorest and smallest countries in the world took in more than a million refugees and without help.

How is the number of foreigners already in a country irrelevant, when deciding whether to admit more? From the perspective of the host country, migrants or refugees makes no difference.

And it's 1 million in one year, but 5 million since 2008. Unlike with Colombia, almost none are from neighboring countries. That's counting only refugees, not total immigrants: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisis#Asylum...

Given these numbers, is there any amount of immigrants the EU/US would have to accept, to be considered sufficient?

It's a pity but you keep using words like immigrants and foreigners and mixing concepts and numbers.

There's no point in continuing this exchange.

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