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Are we repeating these same debunked arguments again and again?

CICO is not true because of just gut microbiome for one, obese people extract more calories from the same food compared to a normal person.

https://www.livescience.com/41954-gut-microbes-make-you-fat....

https://www.newsweek.com/weight-loss-enemy-within-414483

Also metabolism highly varies between people.

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You can't make something from nothing.

Faster metabolism? Sure some people have that, eat less. Calories in.

Exercising doesn't burn many calories? Exercise more. Calories out.

CICO may as well be 1+1=2.

CICO is not debunked, stop spreading that myth. Studies such as the ones you linked only indicate that the counting is more complicated than measuring the heat generated by burning a food and slapping the result on a label.

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