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I think every reasonable person should be "for Peace". But not for peace at any cost.

It’s just hypocritical anyway, just telling people to be peaceful doesn’t address the underlying causes at all and the same people aren’t “peaceful” in their personal live either. They’re confused and in fact reject any clear understandings of what actually causes peace to begin with.

This group would have been founded specifically against the Vietnam War, which America entered on the flimsiest of pretexts[1] with no clear national interest beyond "fuck Communists", and which killed tens of thousands of American soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese civilians. I don't see how it could possibly be clearer.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident

Did they solve peace? AFAIK there have been wars since, and having grown up with these people I know first hand they’re anything but peaceful.

> Did they solve peace?

Nobody claimed they did.

You seem to be arguing with anecdotal figures from your childhood. I'm sorry the people you grew up with were hypocrites, but if you want to claim that reflects on either Computer People for Peace or the peace movement in general, you'll need to give us more details.

The problem is that the core issue is the mind and these “peace” type arguments date back thousands of years, even in 340s AD in China’s Annals of Lu Buwei you find these same people not addressing their own minds and preaching “peace” or passivsem. The reality is if you bring up reasonable things they can do, such as not promoting egotism or having a materialistic views of everything which directly lead to a lack of what they feel is “peace”, it just goes over their head and they get angry. Again this is has been going on with these people for thousands of years now. So rather than some fake form of peace that doesn’t work, how about addressing the underlying causes of suffering for everyone instead and stop rejecting them?

Do you have a clear understanding of the "causes of peace" that you'd like to share with us? Regardless, did you read any of the newsletters to give you a basis for your claims?

> It’s just hypocritical anyway...

Yeah, we're all hypocrites--get over it. It's true that almost nobody can be completely peaceful in all areas of their lives, but it shouldn't stop people from trying. You gotta start where you are.

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