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Yikes, this is looking pretty bad:

"Rubin was also 'alleged to have engaged in human sex trafficking': in an October 2018 lawsuit brought by his ex-wife, Rie Rubin, she claimed that Andy Rubin had multiple 'ownership relationships' with several highly paid women. In text messages produced in that case, Andy Rubin allegedly claimed that he could 'loan' these women as they were 'kinda like… my property.'"

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sounds like master-slave/sub-dom relationship.

it could be related to sex trafficking, or more likely just had some fetishes with willing participants.

There was an advocate for DA/DV victims in SF who surprisingly engaged in BDSM. He got caught putting ads on Craigslist. A couple of his “mistresses” accused him of beating them.

Edit, it was a labor lawyer[1] In any event, says he it was consensual. Charges later dropped.

[1]https://abc7news.com/archive/8337736/

I assume you mean "Domestic Abuse/Domestic Violence"... DVDA is also a sex term involving one girl and 4 guys. Hard to tell from the context!

Seems like most people who own slaves could probably force the slaves to say it was consensual.

A dedicated, authorized investigator can probably work the difference out really quickly (literally in seconds in most cases, I would imagine, as soon as they speak to the "slave"), but, by contrast, there's pretty much no data we can obtain in this debate (other than a report by an authorized investigator) that will allow us to tell the difference from here.

For better or worse, paying for sex is illegal in most places regardless of consent. The law does not have a carve out for consensual slavery either. The state can decide any consent to participate in an illegal arrangement was cohersed.

That’s an interesting take, has that ever resulted in a conviction you know of?

> paying for sex is illegal in most places regardless of consent

Surprisingly, it isn't in most places: criminalising it is the "Nordic model" and not widespread. It's things around prostitution that are criminalised (advertising, running a brothel, pimping etc)

This is literally what pimping is. Andy was acting as a pimp.

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