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Am I the only one experiencing "Facebook is so bad" fatigue? I am not implying that there should be no criticism, I believe quite the opposite, but I think we have heard all of this before, many times over.

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No, I'm not getting tired of seeing one of the most powerful companies in the world to face some scrutiny, given their past behaviour and non-transparent "growth" tactics (And his founder's).

As long as they force their shitty software down people's throats every day (literally what the article is about), people will keep complaining about them. Just like everyone who's forced to use Comcast complains.

In fact it's mainly abusive monopolies that tend to receive this nonstop criticism. Ordinary crappy companies go out of business because people can switch to their alternatives, then no one complains about them anymore.

Don’t just blame Facebook. It’s the fault of everyone who buys a product from a company whose business model is more complex than you give them money and they give you stuff. In this case, every Android phone maker except for probably Google and Google only sells around 3 million phones a year.

> force their shitty software down people's throats every day

Did Facebook force OEMs to include their software on their devices? Isn't it more likely that OEMs are getting paid for the placement and the blame for its inclusion lies with OEMs?

Ok, fair enough. The article isn't about Facebook forcing their shitty software down our throats (which they still do, via notification and email spam).

It's about Facebook paying OEMs to force its shitty software down our throats.

IMO not really a meaningful distinction in this context though.

I think it is meaningful distinction in this context. The responsibility for the inclusion of these apps lies solely on the OEMs and carriers. If there's beef to had then it has to be laid at the feet of the OEMs and carriers.

Facebook has for some reason angered the mainstream media and is suffering their wrath. I wonder if its because of their support of Republican political stuff? That's definitely a big no-no if you want to keep in the good graces of the media. Or is it because some other reason? There has to be some major transgression that caused this coordinated media flagellation, essentially for doing things that many other firms are guilty of doing.

Why such the laser focus on them specifically instead of on Silicon Valley giants in general? Why is the focus of the article on Facebook when they are not the only app that OEMs and carriers force onto their customers devices? What is the real reason that Facebook is being targeted?

Also weird how the article focuses on Samsung when it is an industry-wide issue with Android devices. It reads sort of like an Apple ad with a bonus anti-Facebook slant. To focus only on Facebook and Samsung for this issue is disingenuous on Bloomberg's part. The part quoting random Twitter users chiding Samsung is a poor choice for the article: its not just a Samsung problem and they know this. They acknowledge in the article that the issue is not just Facebook and Samsung, yet the focus is kept on them.

Fascinating!

I've seen them attacked for a few things which I don't see as major or as Facebook's fault and can imagine that people constantly seeing people complain about these little things will mean it detracts from the big, important things.

Repetition is in some ways emphasis. The fact that you are getting fatigued is showing that it is slowly working, and that people are slowly waking up to it.

Disagree. Instead it's showing the signal to noise ratio has reached a level where the content doesn't outweigh the category. People are in fact slowly falling back asleep to it.

The arguments against Facebook at this point have basically shown that the whole platform and every service they provide is tainted and exploitative. Anyone still using Facebook after all that will never stop using Facebook. The repetition is more to reach new ears, not try to again to convince those who already decided otherwise.

There aren't new ears here, where we're all subject to this repetition. The commenter was commenting here about fatigue, not as a new-to-tech user on some other site. The issue is not that things are annoyingly written over and over, it's that they are annoyingly promoted over and over to devolve into the same discussion over and over.

I'm getting fatigue of them not fixing the issues.

you're head of the curve. by the time you're sick of hearing it, many people are starting to realize it and then even more follow.

I been experiencing fatigue over all questions that start with "Am I the only one...", no, never, there are 7 billion people in the world so you're never the "only one".

I say keep it coming until the message gets across to everyone.

I'm fatigued by Facebook's existence.

Nope. For every post with substance there's a dozen without. But hey, as is evidenced by adjacent comments here, it's ok because FB is bad. Not possible for the valueless deluge of upvoted "news" to also be bad.

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