I'm a millionaire who creates zero jobs. Why do I pay less tax than you?
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The most fundamental one is this: capital is mobile, people are not.
If you increase taxes on capital, it will flow to a lower-tax jurisdiction relatively quickly. A decent legal system and financial infrastructure is necessary, but the hurdles aren't as great.
But if you increase taxes on salaries, people will be hesistant to leave for personal reasons (e.g. friends, family), cultural reasons, security reasons etc.
As such, tax competition between jurisdictions on capital is much more fierce than it is on labour. This is typically why you see lower taxes on capital.
The other reason is that labour tends to be viewed by part of the voter base as a normal tax, and capital as a double tax. i.e., if you earn $100k a year and save much of it after taxes, you now have capital to invest. And getting that capital taxed again is sometimes viewed as even less popular, a sort of tax ontop of tax, particularly as these wealthy people are more mobile and can more easily choose a lower tax jurisdiction.
As for the notion that his capital doesn't create jobs, I don't know if that is true. Fact is that if people like him withdrew their capital from the market, rather than invest it, you'd see many financially-constricted companies that would bin their expansion plans, cancel their investments in R&D, withdraw from new products and markets etc, and on the whole, generate far fewer jobs. It's essentially what the credit crisis looked like. The notion investments like his aren't creating jobs seems erroneous.
That doesn't mean I'm a fan of low capital taxes, by the way. But tax reform is incredibly complex because it requires essentially all countries around the world to work together, to give up some control over an important component of sovereignty (taxation), to restrict tax competition somewhat. There's been a lot of decent work in that regard already by the way in the past few years, with the worst aggressive tax planning and tax havens being dealt with (e.g. BEPS), which allows countries to implement more sensible taxes on capital without worry of their tax base shifting abroad.
The US of A started throwing its weight around to break down Bretton Woods got us to now. (Oversimplified for brevity)
Go back to pre WW1 and people were fully mobile with few countries having border controls or passport/visa requirements but most having capital controls.
Actually he claims
> Investing doesn’t create jobs
So he’s denying the effect that a company can raise more capital if it has stronger demand for its shares. And he’s denying the incentive of stock for employee compensation, which consequently creates jobs just like cash.
So I’m going to file this under “rich guy doesn’t understand the system that made him rich”. I also worked on Wall Street, and it doesn’t automatically imbue you with an understanding of all things economic. You have to explicitly study to gain expertise.
I have no particular explanation nor suggestion based off of that, but I know I've read a lot of articles about companies simply sitting in large bankrolls.
Not a single country in such a consortium would permit industry-level collusion among private enterprises to similarly inflate prices. If it's disgusting if the airlines do it, it is disgusting if the West does it.
The tax department opened up a bank account, that people could pay in extra taxes for, if they wanted. If you felt like you should pay more, you could.
Two years later, the initiative was shut down - having accumulated about 15000USD (fifteen THOUSAND) - in a country with 5.5M inhabitants.
A lot of people want OTHERS to pay more in taxes and some people SAY they should pay more in taxes to score some cheap karma-points. Almost nobody ACTUALLY want to pay more in taxes.
I believe that if all people of my income paid more, we could make a difference.
I support all people of my income, including me, paying more taxes and opposed me alone paying more taxes.
The evidence you've provided does not provide significant support to your conclusion.
Here's what WOULD support your conclusion: If given the choice between someone who would increase taxes for people of my income or keeping them the same/lower (ceteris paribus), I voted for the latter. If I'm voting for the former, that straight up contradicts your position.
Guess how I vote. Guess how the author votes.
You don't want to pay more in taxes -- you don't believe it would make a difference, despite knowing how numbers work, and knowing that it literally would. I suspect you mean that the marginal difference for the government doesn't justify the loss for you.
That's fair, but it's exactly GP's point: you don't want to pay more taxes, because you don't care when there's no reward for you personally; instead, you want millions of people to pay more taxes for your benefit.
If all people pay more taxes, a large majority of us will see a net benefit that outweighs our own cost.
I support raising taxes for everyone, including myself. This should not be a difficult concept to understand.
Are you suggesting that there's a magic threshold that needs to be crossed where individual contributions amount to more than the sum of their parts? If so, what is it, and why does it exist? And why does that threshold always seem to be conveniently too high for people who claim they want to contribute more?
Yes, of course having more money scales the ROI superlinearly. Lots of projects can't be done at all without a minimum investment. Others just have economies of scale (e.g. dilution of fixed overhead).
And considering that the government usually does stuff on very large scales, it's not strange that a single taxpayer's contribution is too small to be meaningful. Just creating a government program probably takes more than what I pay yearly.
No, I'd say they want millions of people to pay more taxes (including themselves) for everyone's benefit. The comparison is between an account that a few people can contribute to and not make a significant difference, vs everyone agreeing to raise tax rates and therefore have more common wealth.
Society benefits from taxes being spent on amenities, healthcare, education, police, when less taxes are spent everyone benefits less.
That's exactly how numbers work. Marginal increase of income from a single taxpayer is worthless to the government in isolation, and has zero impact for anyone. Hell, it's probably of strictly negative value if someone has to create a special account and procedures just for you.
Consider this as an illustrative example: if you were to suddenly start paying 2x the taxes you used to, literally nothing the government provides would change for you, or for anyone else for that matter. But if the entire country suddenly started paying 2x the taxes, you could expect much increased quantity and quality of public services.
Just like many private enterprises, government services too tend to have a lot of fixed costs, low marginal costs, and non-uniform access patterns.
I donate money and goods to a couple, carefully selected, charities every year. Having volunteered for them on a couple of occasions, I can definitely tell you my relatively modest help DID make a big difference to at least a few families.
I am not forcing anyone else to be charitable, yet there are many people who give (much more than I do).
There are two problems with your thinking:
- the return on our taxes paid in the USA is very, very low - we pay only a bit less in taxes then people in Europe, yet the infrastructure is crumbling, there are lots of desolate/mentally ill people in the streets, etc.
- you seem to want to FORCE people to pay more tax for your noble causes. Guess what - not everyone will agree with you what they are. That's why taxes should be limited to defense, law enforcement, public infrastructure, standardization, etc.
My hypocrisy does not detract from the veracity of the belief that taxes should be higher for people like me. That belief is correct/true/valid or wrong independent of my hypocrisy.
You do realize that people do seemingly contradictory things, right? And sometimes have overtly contradictory beliefs relative to their actions. As Saint Paul referenced; the thorn in his side.
My beliefs versus my actions in this instance is an aspect of the free rider problem. Look it up.
I don't know anyone who is hungry so I can't directly give food to the hungry. One can seek out an organization to provides food for the hungry. I believe that the organization best suited to do this government. Besides, there is more to the proper running of a society than just feeding hungry people.
We need roads, sewers, clean water, a legal system, police, teachers, etc. The umbrella organization that we give money to in order to provide these things is the government.
Empirically speaking, government is one of the least suited and efficient organizations to do this [1].
“[Government] income redistribution agencies are estimated to absorb about two-thirds of each dollar budgeted to them in overhead costs, and in some cases as much as three-quarters of each dollar. Using government data, Robert L. Woodson (1989, p. 63) calculated that, on average, 70 cents of each dollar budgeted for government assistance goes not to the poor, but to the members of the welfare bureaucracy and others serving the poor. Michael Tanner (1996, p. 136 n. 18) cites regional studies supporting this 70/30 split.
“In contrast, administrative and other operating costs in private charities absorb, on average, only one-third or less of each dollar donated, leaving the other two-thirds (or more) to be delivered to recipients. Charity Navigator, www.charitynavigator.org the newest of several private sector organizations that rate charities by various criteria and supply that information to the public on their web sites, found that, as of 2004, 70 percent of charities they rated spent at least 75 percent of their budgets on the programs and services they exist to provide, and 90 percent spent at least 65 percent. The median administrative expense among all charities in their sample was only 10.3 percent.”
Thus it is safe to say that government is much more efficient at accomplishing these goals than charity. Charity is much more efficient at the margins. It’s great for the fringe cases once the majority of the problem has been addressed.
It's all great in theory, but every single developed country wastes billions in taxpayers money every year on all sorts of irrelevant things. Politician pet projects. Projects going massively wrong and overrunning in cost at inflated prices. Inefficiencies. Etc..
I'd rather donate a healthy amount of money to a nonprofit of my choice (and yes, take the tax deduction for doing that -- can donate almost twice as much!). Those charities generally will be able to allocate said resources much more efficiently.
"I want to pay more taxes" is obviously a stand-in for "tax rates should be higher", not because we love taxes, but because they help us achieve national priorities. Individual action doesn't do that, which is precisely why they're national priorities.
Okay, but I don't regard you as an sort of moral actor for that: you intentionally don't do something you readily admit would make the situation better, out of your emotional needs, while politicking to force everyone to do the thing you're not actually willing to do yourself.
So no, I simply don't believe you: I don't think you believe you should pay higher taxes, I think you believe other people in your income bracket should, to run society the way you envision. If somehow that didn't apply to you, but applied to every one, well that would be just fine wouldn't it?
I originally didn't agree with GP, but the posts like yours trying to refute it are actually bringing me around to that position -- because they're deeply morally compromised, full of special pleading, and so on.
..you're not actually willing to do yourself."
That should be:
...you're not actually willing to do solely by yourself.
As I said, what does it matter if I'm a hypocrite? My belief that taxes should be higher for people like me is true or false independent of my hypocrisy. The question of taxation levels should not be determined or influenced by the level of my own personal hypocrisy.
I don't think you believe you should pay higher taxes, I think you believe other people in your income bracket should,..
You inserted other. This is wrong. I believe all people in my income bracket should pay more in taxes. This includes me. I do believe that government should tax me more. I'm also not going to donate more to the government if it isn't forced. Free rider problem and all that.
There's no special pleading in my position and I don't claim that my position on taxation levels is some sort of moral action on my part. All I've said is the following 2 things:
1. Taxes should higher for people in my income bracket.
2. I'm not going donate more to the government than what is required.
Make of this what you will. I'm a hypocrite. But I still think taxes should be higher for people in my income bracket and this obviously includes myself.
That's not what they said, at all. You appear to think everyone is maximally selfish and short-sighted:
you believe others should pay...if that somehow didn't apply to you...that'd be just fine
That is not the case. Not everyone thinks like this.
Having thought about this a bit more, the idea of "not being taxed enough" is not necessarily about raising revenue for the government. They don't need to take your money to tax you, they can just print money and tax everyone with inflation. The point of taxing the "rich" more is to level the playing field. It is prevent power from concentrating in people who are not democratically accountable. So in that case, donating your estate will not achieve that goal.
Whether or not taxes should be raised is independent of whatever level of hypocrisy I possess.
If "a lot of people" is simply the 99.9%, and "Others" are the super rich 0.1%... I'm pretty sure the 99.9% would massively benefit... and the "others" would probably still be extremely rich.
That's a silly conclusion.
I'll gladly vote for a policy measure that benefits a group of people at the expense of a group of people among which I find myself.
But I won't vote for a policy measure that benefits a group of people at the expense of just myself and nobody else. In that case, I would prefer a straight up donation of my own choosing. As such, this Danish bank account would see no money from me.
I don’t want to pay more taxes. I want myself and those in my peer group to pay more taxes. Your referenced experiment proved little other than that a few of the Dutch don’t understand game theory (or are just really philanthropic).
Or perhaps people want everyone, including themselves, to pay more taxes. A fair, equitable, and shared burden.
If it's just you, you feel like a sucker being taken advantage of.
What they should have done is make a rule that says if I pay into this special account, everyone else's tax rate goes up.
See what happens then.
If you're familiar with the prisoner's dilemma, which is a toy, two-party example, there's a massive difference between coordinating cooperation and unilaterally taking the cooperate action.
For an overly reductive example: a rich person could support higher taxes (including his own) to be raised to a level that could feasibly fund a social safety net on par with a UBI. If he were to unilaterally provide his portion of higher tax revenues, the government wouldn't instantly implement a minuscule, partial increase in the safety net. OTOH, a consistent tax regime based around a consistently higher revenue base is a fiscal environment in which we could move further towards this person's preferred policies.
(Note that I'm making no endorsement or rejection of the specific policy described above, just using it as an example to point out how nonsensical the complaint in this thread is).
I'm not saying it is irrational for the author to advocate raising taxes for everyone, including themselves. I'm saying that if the author really thought donating that extra $X to the government (when other people do) was such a good idea, they would be donating it right now even if other people don't. The reason is that the marginal benefit to the government of the author handing them an extra $X when other people do the same is no higher than when they don't.
Unless, of course, the author plans to dodge the tax themselves once taxes are raised for everyone.
The prisoner's dilemma is not a valid comparison because donating when the other person doesn't yields an equal or higher marginal return as donating when the other person does. In the prisoner's dilemma it's the other way around: cooperating when the other person defects results in a lower marginal return than when the other person cooperates.
This is an aspect of human behavior. Sometimes people won’t do something if they aren’t forced to even if they think its a good idea. This is why the free rider problem exists. Your conclusion ignores facts surrounding human psychology. People don’t see a $1,000 donation to the government as being helpful if it’s just them doing it. They can see it being beneficial if millions of people do it. Hence an individual is unlikely to make a voluntary donation to the government whilst supporting increased taxation for everyone in their income bracket.
Which conclusion? You basically said I'm correct.
> if the author really thought donating that extra $X to the government (when other people do) was such a good idea, they would be donating it right now
Which part are you disputing? Your comments about human psychology merely support the fact that the author doesn't really think it's a good idea, and that there are psychological factors other than rationality and honesty at play.
Investing does great jobs because businesses need capital to grow, and growth leads to more employment. Not employing people directly does not mean the money didn’t lead to some job creation. It’s just harder to quantify.
And what is being “demanded”? Products and services that are the result of investments made earlier in time. Consumer demand is the inherent PAYOFF of successful investment. Consumers demand more, faster, cheaper, better. None of that comes without investment first.
This guy sees investment as leeching off the productive economy. Probably because he has only ever been on the “money-shuffling” side of things, rather than standing in the shoes of a business owner who needs to raise capital to create something new.
That capital comes from either loans or equity, both of which require 1) substantial sums of latent savings in the economy, and 2) money-shufflers to find allocation opportunities (capital does not yet, alas, allocate itself).
Investment is the LAST thing we should tax. Consumption (especially of positional and rivalrous goods) is the first.
Consumption is what drives the economy, not investment. You can invest all you want in a giant rubber duck factory, if nobody wants to buy giant rubber ducks your investment will be worthless. Investors either gamble where demand will occur or create it artificially through marketing, but in neither of those circumstances is consumption the direct result of investment.
The last thing you should tax is consumption, since it is the fuel for all other economic activity. Less consumption, less everything else. Also, taxing consumption tends to be a regressive tax policy in practice, which leads to economic inequality and reduced quality of life.
IMHO what should be taxed is income in all forms, whether out of labor or out of investment, since that’s the most fair. Consumption should not be taxed. Additionally tax rates should be progressive since there are many engines of inequality in the economy and we need a bit of counterbalance to that.
We need to figure out how to transition to a steady state, or a shrinking economy.
Even if everyone wants to have rubber ducks in their lives, if everyone is hunting-gathering (thus no saving or investment) there won't be a way to finance the factory.
That's true, but it's missing the point. Investment allows people to fund projects that drive up consumption. It may not be "as important" as labor, but it still helps the economy. If the capital gains tax is too high, rent seekers will just find a safer alternative to way to park their money that is even less economically productive, like renting out real estate.
I’ve also never been convinced by the “big money will flee if we tax it more” argument. Nobody has ever tried leaving no ground to flee to by leveling the taxation system so there’s no loopholes. The only way to flee would be to leave the country entirely, but as long as it remains profitable to stay (taxes do not exceed profits) it would be foolish to do so.
As someone with a significant amount of wealth, you have the option to spend it entirely on yourself. For example, you could have consumed all of it already, enjoying non-stop parties, expensive toys, buying the temporary, albeit intense, adoration of an entourage etc. Thank you for not doing those things.
Instead, you have invested this capital. You have put it into a variety of investments, each with their own risk-reward profile. I am hopeful that as you grow wealthier, you will become more charitable, both by donating more wealth to help others, and also by accepting a lower rate of private return (or higher private risk) for investments that have a bigger social return (e.g. biotech investments, space exploration, etc). Even there, I hope you exercise some prudence and a portfolio approach, since it doesn't help anyone ex post if you lose all your money developing an invention that doesn't work.
In the meantime, we (society) are grateful for your concern, but would probably rather that you did not dump more money into our tax coffers. If you want to give money to the people, give money to the people, Give Directly style.
And if you still feel that the government is necessary to solve some of the problems that are bothering you, spend it instead to incentivize better government, or to design and build a government that allocates each tax dollar more efficiently as the years go by.
Thank you.
Lower capital gains rates are also not an American invention. It’s a feature of almost every Western European tax code. Sweden’s capital gains tax rate is half of the top ordinary income rate.
Corporate taxes + lower capital gains taxes are double taxation on the same earnings; but also serve to very much politically obfuscate who pays the taxes, consumers, businesses, or the profiteers - which, while fungible - could drastically simplify the tax code.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/20/opinion/sunday/from-rags-...
TL;DR:
> It turns out that 12% of the population will find themselves in the top 1% of the income distribution for at least one year. What’s more, 39% of Americans will spend a year in the top 5% of the income distribution, 56% will find themselves in the top 10%, and a whopping 73% will spend a year in the top 20% of the income distribution.
The reverse side of that phenomenon applies, as well - a significant portion of the population will find themselves in the _bottom_ part of the distribution at some point in their lifetimes, as well.
People can and do vote for things that give no benefits to them if it aligns with their concept of fairness. In this case, if you believe a person deserves to keep as much of their income as possible, you will vote for lower taxes, because it feels right.
but i think this is one of the key issues of the article. the author claims that investment does not create jobs.
also, in absolute dollar terms the author may spend more than you, but in percentage-of-income terms he's spending less. and I think maybe that percentage difference is another key point the author makes, given how much wealth is tied up in the hands of the rich.
I mean, I think the author believes that wealthy people pouring almost all of their money into various investments -- as opposed to middle class and poor people spending all or almost all of their money on goods and services -- is not a very strong way to create domestic jobs.
IMHO, this is not a complete accounting of the situation. I mean, US people are spending -- we're spending big time. but where are all the jobs? the US has this giant trade deficit. a helluva a lot of jobs are in overseas manufacturing. so, we can force billionaires to spend all of their income every year on goods and services -- but how many domestic jobs is that going to create if what they buy is expensive Euromade yachts and New Zealand real estate?
it's almost like we need more than just tax policy, it's like we need some kind of domestic industrial policy
Why would anyone suggest giving the federal government more money? The states in general do more in general to actually help everyday Americans.
so government can directly employ people who don't currently have jobs. this will create a money multiplier effect as those workers go out and spend their new paychecks, which puts more cash in the hands of other workers in the economy, who then spend some of it, and so on and so on. in this way, GDP grows.
that's an answer. i'm not sure it's a great answer, but it's an answer i've heard an awful lot.
another answer is so the federal government can build large infrastructure projects (like an interstate highway system or Hoover dam), the theory being that this will pay off richly for society and the economy later on.
Why shouldn’t we make it easier for private industry to compete -for instance by not making the US the only industrialized country where your insurance is tied to your company?
Why not increase the earned income tax credit and make it easier to be distributed during the year. That would encourage work and it was something that was historically supported by both Republican and Democratic administrations.
The way things are going lately, I have a lot more trust in private industry than the federal government.
So other groups have to give tbe federal government less money. The article was pretty clear about that.
http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5030/
Personally I’d rather the rich hoard wealth than pay taxes and thereby justify the idea that planned command economies lead to anything good.
Go ahead, donate it, make it more useful. Don't let the minimum stop you. I suppose they prefer the government decide where it should be spent. Why not donate to the gov program they prefer themselves? Or Donate to the efficient programs, or donate to the one with ornery staff, if you like. No one will stop them.
Changing the tax code is about who plays, it has ~zero impact on how much the government spends.
Obviously the marginal effect of one person paying more in taxes is close to zero. There's no hypocrisy in advocating the group pay more collectively without unilaterally taking it upon oneself first.
There is a clear distinction.
If this individual was advocating for people in his position to pay more, he could simply start a campaign for like-minded millionaires to pay more, and perhaps build some infrastructure to support this voluntary donation to the government.
That is actually what he's doing, the whole point of the article.
He is not campaigning for like-minded millionaires to pay more voluntarily, he is campaigning for them to force other millionaires to pay more through the tax code.
You can clearly see that’s what I meant if you hadn’t just quoted out of context, so I question whether your comment is in good faith.
Take a chill pill. It's not clear that's what you meant, I think many people will agree. It's the internet after all. That doesn't mean we have to be accusing each other of bad faith immediately.
That makes it abundantly clear that I was talking about a voluntary scheme because that is plainly stated, and it seems like you saw the sentence because you chose to quote the first half. The first paragraph also makes that same distinction.
If you had quoted the full sentence instead of the partial one, your comment would simply be false.
I didn’t accuse you of bad faith but I did raise the question, and this is why.
Think about it, why would the government need anyone's help to collect money? And in what sense would it be voluntary? The taxpayers are either forced to by law or by social pressure to pay.
Anyway, let's put that to bed.
It seems odd to me that you don’t seem to make a distinction between government power and social pressure.
A key principle of the legal systems of the US and tbe UK and many other western democracies is limit the use of force to the government precisely so that confirming to social pressure is voluntary and not forced. Forcing people to do things is reserved to the government.
I realize this is not the case in many regressive regimes or weaker states, but the author is writing for a British publication about the US tax code.
He is not asking for infrastructure to support voluntary donation tobthe government. That would be stupid and ineffective. He is asking for the government to change its tax structure to tax people like him more.
How do you know if it would be stupid and ineffective? Perhaps he’s representative of rich people who want to pay more tax.
Because you can already pay more taxes than required in many places, and (almost) nobody does so.
> Perhaps he’s representative of rich people who want to pay more tax.
He is representative — he doesn't pay more than is required. He is proposing that the government require people like him to pay more taxes, which would mean that low income people pay less.
There are lots of things people can do but don’t until a social movement encourages them to do so. Charities for example don’t receive donations until someone makes a case for why they should.
Also, I’m not sure why you think that raising taxes on one group automatically results in other groups being taxed less. That isn’t typically how it works.
That is exactly how it works. The state has the same expenses and must fund them somehow. Reducing taxes for one group doesn't magically make those expenses go away. When one group pays less, other groups pay more. Similarly, when one group pays more, others pay less. The state doesn't magically have more expenses.
When states take in more tax than their expenses, they run a surplus. When they take in less, they run a deficit. Usually when they run a surplus, they find ways to spend it after not too long.
Raising taxes on any particular group or activity has no direct effect on the other tax rates.
Those ways to spend it typically help the poor, so taxing the rich more helps the poor. The money doesn't magically disappear.
“Similarly, when one group pays more, others pay less. The state doesn't magically have more expenses.”
And that is absolutely false.
Also, there is certainly no relationship between raising taxes and the poor benefiting. The money can be wasted or spent on the military, etc.
You are also still confusing taxes with spending.
Exactly the same as when other people do. Probably more, actually.
If you already know this then why ask the question? If you dont then I can recommend you study some games https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_in_game_theory
In the meantime, I need as much of the money that _I earned_ as the gov't will deign to let me keep. Why? None of your damn business, that's why. I earned it, let me save or spend it as I please, without even more of gov't sticky-fingers rooting around in my damn pie.
Who exactly is allowed to advocate for higher taxes on the rich?
I wonder how a higher tax rate for investment income would change the pools of money available to startups? Would more of it flow to other asset classes, like tax-free but lower returning municipal bonds? Would it make no difference?
Ouch.
Never mind that the US is one of what two? countries that tries to tax their companies sales (and citizen income) based on activity abroad?
Say what you will about more progressive income tax policy, capital gains, or tech companies dodging due to the nature of software, but the US has had the highest effective corporate tax rates in the world and was definitely driving offshoring.
A corporate tax rate of 0% is very much an increasingly non-fringe goal as opposed to raising revenue through other means. It's a testament to the US laws and business health it has as many companies remaining despite the tax disadvantage.
Companies outsourcing IT functions just happen to be outside the purview of taxes and tariffs. But that's no guarantee long-term.
Not an argument that can be settled here, but the moral argument for job creators has to be that it is not a near zero sum game (i.e. it is not the case that if you don't create jobs then someone else will) and that they are systemically important. That is if we remove (magically/without shock) some of the current crop of job creators we would end up with an economic depression and as such they are an important societal good.
The primary argument for them is that the wealthy have a higher marginal propensity to consume, so it acts as a functional wealth tax, and can't be easily evaded through income restructuring. It would be strictly progressive on an absolute basis, and may marginally incentivize investment over consumption.