John Stockman’s Medical Bills Topped $1M – What Happened?
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In 2016 there were 770,000 people who were bankrupted due to medical costs.
Around 45,000 people a year die from a lack of health insurance.
In every country that has universal coverage reform has started with a push to ask a basic moral and ethical question: should we consider healthcare a basic human right?
In the U.S. we pay 18% of our GDP on healthcare, yet we rank ~ 37th in terms of death due to preventable causes, and 31st in terms of overall life expectancy. If you look at how healthcare works in other countries there are many different systems but what they all have in common is a commitment to provide access to healthcare for all citizens. There are different mixes of private and public, and we have already implemented most of them to some degree:
There are 4 main systems 1. Beveridge (public health care providers and insurance rolled into one, like the NHS in UK): The VA and healthcare systems used for native americans use this system
2. National health insurance (private healthcare providers and public insurance funded by the government, like Canada's system): Medicare was copied from the Canadian system (even the name!).
3. Bismarck Model: (private healthcare providers and mostly private insurance, along with an individual mandate and heavy regulation of insurance companies: this is used in Germany and Japan). Obamacare was an incomplete attempt to move more towards this model.
4 Out of pocket model: (fully private: a non-system used by most poor countries in the world). This is what the uninsured fall back on.
The main piece that is missing is we haven't committed to scaling either systems 1, 2 or 3 in order to provide universal access to healthcare and so we have an incredibly fragmented and complex system with soaring costs. American for-profit insurance companies are bloated by ~20% administration fees whereas in most countries they are non-profit entities with 5% or less.
To back up and sum it all up the fundamental question we need to ask ourselves is: do we want to provide universal access to healthcare?
The government is on the hook for the old population and the poor population: the 2 most expensive subsets. Yet private insurance still isn't affordable despite only having to cover the lower-risk chunk of the pop. It's insane.
First, US insurance companies are often pseudo non-profits, with profit caps. [1]
Second, another model is Medicare Advantage where beneficiaries can choose a private entity to administer their Medicare plan.
Third, most commercial insurance in the US is not actually underwritten by insurance co's, but by "self-funded" employers. In this case, the insurance company is merely a third-party administrator (TPA) for the employee plans, using XYZ's bank account (and trying to save them money, offer health incentive programs, etc., to secure repeat business). Most companies with more than, say, 500 employees operate this way, though usually you won't even know this is the case.
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Finally, if by
> do we want to provide universal access to healthcare?
you mean "do we want everyone to have healthcare?", the answer is an easy "yes". We want universal access to housing, healthcare, employment, etc.
But if the question is "do we want the government to use taxes to ensure that everyone has healthcare?", the answer is far more divided. There's a lot of interesting examples elsewhere. But as you've mentioned, the US government has already dipped its toe into those waters with the VA, and I don't think it's been perceived as a success.
[1] http://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2012/02/04/does-obamacare-...
All numbers I've seen have been far higher than that.
* Canada 12%
* Britain 16%
* Netherlands 20%
https://www.commonwealthfund.org/sites/default/files/___medi...
When I enjoy paying all my tax that covers social systems like healthcare and decent schools and welfare, it's not because I'm altruistic. It's because I believe it's the cheapest way to not get stabbed and robbed that also doesn't feel like a dystopian gated community.
Or put more absurdly: I want quality NPCs in my world. (not that they're mindless automatons, but that I want prosperity for all those people who make up the backdrop of my experience, even if they're not immediate friends, family, colleagues)
Other countries get better care for less per person, in some cases much less. Americans are irrationally, short-sightedly selfish and cheap when it comes to medical threats to our well-being. If only we could frame this as a national security issue...
If you framed it that way you would just end up paying even more without better results. Just look at the high incarceration rates and the prison costs that follow.
Now, medicine for all is not a panacea either, but it may be better than what we have now.
I think one answer might be a two tiered system. One that is no strings attached[1] basic healthcare for all and a second tier for those who want 'premium' healthcare through their employer or other private means.
Reason is even in places with universal coverage, often times people will get private coverage for a multitude of reasons from quality of care, to wait times, to experience of staff (low incidence of malpractice), etc.
[1] Lest anyone be overenthusiastic, this often means your doctor has final say in options, treatment, etc. which is why a 'premium' private market thrives alongside the universal option.
Reason is even in places with universal coverage, often times people will get private coverage for a multitude of reasons from quality of care, to wait times, to experience of staff, etc. "
Exactly. That's how it works in most of Europe.
My dad had the misfortune to suffer from a serious stroke. He needs a lot of medical care, and frankly doesn’t have the ability to broker deals between various medical providers.
There are many many people in similar situations. Even in a world where scum companies didn’t charge usurious prices for drugs like epipens, denying someone care is a moral travesty that should be handled in a fair way.
At least there should be a clear, well documented way for people to avoid these problems. Right now you can get insurance and do everything right but you still may get screwed.
And I don't think my monthly (individual) premium of around $400 is particularly unreasonable; I think that's what healthcare costs. Subsidies are a separate issue.
The problem with healthcare is it's not a good like others which are insured. Even with price transparency the patient isn't qualified to decide what treatment to get at what price (your doctor is), and often the patient isn't at their best physically or mentally when treatment decisions need to be made.
Comparing the US healthcare cost to other countries is slightly misleading as much of the world free-rides off US pharma research.
If we want affordable insurance we should let people with chronic or debilitating diseases die rather than treat them with expensive medications/procedures that increase cost on us all. But when it's your loved one that's sick it's extremely hard to be this cavalier about the decision to not treat at any cost. I know I couldn't make that call.
I want to see hard numbers on this. I strongly believe that this is just self-serving propaganda to justify ripping off people in the US.
I was going off comments from some post-doc friends who immigrated to the US because they said medical research funding here is much better than elsewhere.
(As an aside I think some replies to my comment misunderstood my point. I believe government insurance is highly appropriate for a good like healthcare. Just that it's not without it's downsides and being Canadian I've seen those first-hand).
Pharma companies are ripping off Americans and we’re letting them.
Hospitals do research now? The rest of the world gets free rides off US-made plaster casts for broken arms?
People are frankly -- and justifiably -- scared of going to the emergency room. To the point of declining transport from the scene of an accident or other medical event, etc.
They actively ask people not to call an ambulance.
It's not necessarily that they fear the doctor or the treatment. They fear the bill.
And yes, often enough these are people with insurance.
A couple of years ago, I faced bills north of three grand, because someone called the paramedics when I didn't need them. I'd purchased the best insurance plan available to me, that year, and I was told at the time that service should be covered. Nope: Insurance failed to pick up the majority of it.
Fortunately, I could afford to cover the expense. And the paramedics -- part of the local fire department rather than privately owned -- forgave the balance of their charges when they learned that insurance had crapped out on all but a couple of hundred. (It cost, at that time, about a grand just to "roll the bus", with surcharges added to that for actual service and transport.)
That last was another reminder that public, non-profit safety can be a lot kinder than private, for-profit.
At a minimum the US needs regulation so people can go through most medical situations and know what they are getting into financially.
This is an important point. Americans are being trained to avoid the physician, even if they might be better off with medical care. You wonder how many life-years are lost because someone with a potentially serious condition declines treatment. As the population ages, the problem will only get worse.
But, try "crossing the tracks."
The southern democrats were successful in the 1930s and 1940s in blocking any measure that might put a crack in the armor of segregation.
Wartime price controls handed unions the ability to negotiate primo health benefits as well. So at the end of the day, nobody really cared enough during the time that the federal government could get stuff done.
It goes into comparing health systems around the world and understanding the history of why they went into effect.
There is a cheeky answer to your question: we have _all_ the main systems that are used in Europe and other places in the world.
There are 4 main systems 1. Beveridge (public health care providers and insurance rolled into one, like the NHS in UK): The VA and healthcare systems used for native americans use this system
2. National health insurance (private healthcare providers and public insurance funded by the government, like Canada's system): Medicare was copied from the Canadian system (even the name!).
3. Bismarck Model: (private healthcare providers and mostly private insurance, along with an individual mandate and heavy regulation of insurance companies: this is used in Germany and Japan). Obamacare was an incomplete attempt to move more towards this model.
4 Out of pocket model: (fully private: a non-system used by most poor countries in the world). This is what the uninsured fall back on.
A less cheeky answer involves looking at the common factor in the rise of systems 1, 2 and 3 in countries around the world. The fundamental political driving force behind this was a moral and ethical decision that healthcare is a human right that the government should provide. When Clinton attempted healthcare reform in 1994 he couched the politics of it in economic terms saying that we need to reduce costs, and it failed. Obamacare only began to make some headway once the politics and debate around it started focusing more on the basic moral and ethical question of whether our society should provide universal access to healthcare.
So it's this weird situation where maybe some people want it for economic reasons (our system is by far the worst in terms of costs per outcome), but politically the best thing is to make this a fundamental moral question of healthcare as a human right. Most constitutions written in the second half of the century include some kind of reference to healthcare as a human right.
It may well be for the overall good to expand Medicare to everyone. But it isn't some sort of "human right" in the same way free speech is. It never will be, as that implies we have the "human right" to demand services from others. We don't--that's nonsense to anyone who actually considers it for five seconds.
My point is that an argument in economic terms historically has been ineffective for actually getting reform to happen, whereas an argument based on healthcare as a right is effective (I get why it’s not effective for someone like you)
To fix the damn system:
Step 1. Decide on an amount you want to spend on public healthcare.
Step 2. Fund an external body (for an example see [2]) to figure out which treatments will result in the most bang (roughly speaking QALY's) for your chosen buck. This will result in some hospitals and some treatments not being funded because they are too expensive.
Step 3. Watch the private insurance market become sane private and hospital cost disease reverse because they have to compete with fairly decent public health coverage.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_hea...
[2] https://www.pharmac.govt.nz/about/your-guide-to-pharmac/fact...