IMO, it is incredibly unethical and dishonest for these medical corporations to charge different fees depending on who you are. Prices should be transparent, and should be the same for everyone.
Some may argue that an organization representing a large pool of people should be able to achieve economy of scale and a better price. This seems false to me, as in reality there is only one pool of people and care provider provide care to that one pool. Its time to kick the middlemen out.
If the middlemen have something of value to offer they have little to fear - just someone to buy gasoline by the tanker for instance keeps gas station middle-men safe because they provide both a workable connection between logistics of the very large production and consumer scale amounts - in addition to the distribution.
And I got an adjusted bill.
I get the negotiation side of things. I get that the leverage insurance companies have is the culprit. But at the end of the day, hospitals just upcharge so they have the upper hand in negotiation. There’s no reason that individuals who choose not to go the insurance route are artificially charge X times what insurance companies are. There’s no excuse.
Charge them the cost of the procedures with whatever markup is reasonable for the hospital to stay in business. It shouldn’t be any other way.
I'm sure there's a lot of varying billing policy, hospital to hospital. And varying ability to financially write off care.
As a gut guess, I'd expect rural hospitals to be the worst about this and suburban the best.
Hospital: "Call your insurance company and ask for a break" Insurance Company: "Call the hospital and ask for a break"
Also, 2/4 of these hospitals had outsourced their billing which means they can't even make decisions on behalf of the hospital (and have a disincentive to write anything off). Seems like a structural way of avoiding writedowns.
And wow, does that search bring up a lot of astroturf: https://www.google.com/search?q=list+of+medical+billing+comp...
Basically, in the U.S. the healthcare system is not exactly a free market as pricing signals are unclear, and most consumers have no idea how or inclination to price shop as they have been trained for decades to not bother. The problem is now not just a matter of how insurance is structured, but cultural.
When a patient asks about prices she quotes them her standard price for the necessary services and calls their insurance company to confirm that the patient is covered and check what kind of copay the patient needs to pay. Assuming the patient is satisfied with the results of that call she provides the services, bills the patient for their copay, and files a claim with their insurance company.
Several months later (and no real way to predict when), the insurance company will provide an "offer" for probably somewhere around 60% of the quoted price (though this varies dramatically as well). She can accept the offer, in which case she's inevitably required by the terms to eat the difference instead of attempting to collect the balance from the patient. Or she can reject it and attempt to collect from the patient, in which case they will likely be very confused and angry as to why their insurance isn't being accepted, despite her explicitly confirming that it would be covered before they purchased her services.
To be clear, none of this is negotiated or agreed upon in any meaningful sense. She doesn't have any special relationship with any insurance provider. Instead, the providers use their massive power differential to dictate terms. She wouldn't be able to stay in business if she didn't accept at least some insurance, but they'd be quite happy to never write her another check.
She knows what her price schedule for everything is, but it doesn't end up mattering that much since she doesn't know when or how much she'll ultimately be reimbursed except in an extremely broad aggregate sense. The worst part is that she has to dramatically overprice her services so that she can ultimately get adequately reimbursed to keep the lights on, which just ends up hurting the patients who don't have insurance.
The only downside is I don't see how it would fly politically...which is a big downside.
You cant have your cake and eat it too. If you want prices to go down you have to say there are things you wont do anymore.
It was the only bright spot in a prolonged battle with the insurance company and the hospital.
That is very nice of you. I hope others like you in positions of power do the same!
True, but it did make a difference to those people you helped! so yeah, kudos to you.