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you don't have to like go, I'm not "liking it" per say, but what's the alternative if you want static typing/compile language, Java, well the compile time is to big for my taste, do a change wait 30 seconds, also it needs to munch ram, Net core could not get it to run.

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You can use Java in a lightweight manner. That's what I'm doing lately. Use built-in com.sun.net.httpserver or add undertow dependency. Enough for HTTP, uses few MB memory (I'm running one app on a 256 MB OpenBSD server), starts in a fraction of second. Use JDBC without all those ORM nonsense, you'll have somewhat verbose but pretty obvious code. It's pretty productive environment for me.

>Use built-in com.sun.net.httpserver or add undertow dependency.

Haven't used Java for a while, but IIRC, (some of) those star.sun.star classes (as opposed to star.java.star ones) used to be mentioned as liable to be deprecated, so not to be relied on (long term at least). Is that still the case now?

I don't think that this module is deprecated. https://docs.oracle.com/en/java/javase/11/docs/api/jdk.https... here's documentation for latest Java without any mentioning of deprecation. It's a bit strange module because it was located in that package, but it was always documented, so I'm considering it safe to use for the time being. Probably not the most performant (uses good old blocking I/O), but good enough for many tasks.

Thanks.

Have you tried OCaml? It’s higher-level than Go and easily produces high performance self-contained binaries.

be that, but the fact that I didn't heard of it, I just need to get shit done, not experimenting.

> but the fact that I didn't heard of it

Would suggest that you're not very familiar with the field that you're commenting on.

Ignorance of a subject is perfectly fine. Everyone's ignorant of something. But flaunting your ignorance doesn't really strengthen your case appreciably.

You shouldn't need to wait 30 seconds on any change to a Java app. It supports incremental compilation. My own projects usually take 2-3 seconds to recompile and launch, and they're large.

Rust

Swift

D or Rust?

D is a mess, Rust maybe no, but seeing how firefix is lossing browser share, I doubt in 5 - 10 years, there will be any company behind it anymore, same for kotlin, with vscode beating jetbrains.

Nim? I always found it a good fit for a lot of semi-system/cli stuff

Yeah, it's much safer to use a language backed by Google, a company known for ruthlessly killing non-core projects after a few years, no matter how much traction they have.

is a core project, apparently they use it a lot, youtube is in it, but if it happens, it can be picked by other companies that use it, docker, kubernetes, cockroachdb, coreOS, etc. What Rust has, firefox? What D has.. nothing?

Same case as Rust then. Currently backed by Mozilla, with lots of big companies using it too. IIRC the most famous case is Dropbox. Rust has unique features that make it very attractive. I'd say Go has unique features too (e.g. uniformity of code style). Having unique features means the language will probably live on even if the current maintainers step down.

D doesn't bring anything new to the table, that's why it's not as relevant.

Dropbox is very well known, but I think Amazon, Microsoft, and Facebook are more well-known :)

This is a risk for systems deployed only on Google hardware, but they can't push a button and make the gccgo source disappear.

You have a point, but to be honest there are specifications of Go available to the public and also FLOSS compiler implementations.

To draw a parallel with Java, eventhough Oracle is ruling the project with an iron fist the FLOSS implementations ensure that developers won't find themselves SOL if Oracle decides to pull the trigger and kill their Java business.

Mozilla is not the only company paying people to work on Rust, and we've heard rumors of more companies being interested in doing so. Losing Mozilla would be a big blow, but Rust is larger than that at this point.

> D is a mess

Hmmmm ~ can you elaborate on why you think that this is the case?

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