There Is No Such Thing as Conscious Thought
scientificamerican.com
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"I would rather say that consciousness is not what we generally think it is. It is not direct awareness of our inner world of thoughts and judgments but a highly inferential process that only gives us the impression of immediacy."
Whatever it is you still can't explain it. End of story.
The protagonist considers how consciousness can be simulated. Simulated entities experience subjective time at the same rate, whether their mental faculties are computed in real-time, or if they are only computed once a day (which would result in the "outside world" speeding by them, but their subjective perception of the flow of time never changes).
The protagonist then considers how the same computations could be done on an abacus by hand, over a long enough time period. The question is then, are the mechanisms that compute and result in our own consciousness that different from had someone done it on a computer, or even on an abacus?
I don't think the assertions are all correct, in all cases however.
I do think we spend much of our time on a kind of autopilot, where (the bit of your mind we identify as you) is essentially a passenger. Our actual conscious thought is probably much smaller than we'd like to believe.
I'm looking forward to @bencollier49's thoughts/blogpost.
Can Panpsychism Become an Observational Science?
https://jcer.com/index.php/jcj/article/view/579
This comes on the heels of the Free Will debate in neuroscience. Where some observers decipher the lighting up of a cluster of neurons in an fMRI machine milliseconds before an action takes place as proof of external determinism. Or perhaps it is conspiratorial prep for the coming age of state sponsored brain implants and hive mind mass control.
Regardless debates such as these will become moot once in vivo science of mind is achieved, perhaps not until century's end. The more interesting questions in neuroscience tend to be of the form: where do creativity and inspiration come from? We've all had the experience of focused concentration on a puzzling problem. Only to have the solution, fully formed, pop into our heads like a bolt of lighting. Is there some way to fertilize this process? To favor the probability of discovery.
Like, rather than creating a thought the thought is already there, and then we refer to it.
A metaphor : You are in a dark room with a flashlight. You direct your flashlight at a flowerpot. Suddenly you see a flowerpot. But you did not create the flowerpot it just suddenly became visible.
In my model here the process of thinking consists of a series of changes of reference. A series of redirections of attention. You observe a thought. You respond to that thought by directing your attention (much like directing the beam of a flashlight) at another thought. And so on. An endless chain.
Note that I am a longtime meditation enthusiast so my perspective is abnormal and weird.
In order to see a flowerpot your brain has to have a way to connect the image to something internal. Our brain knows how to do semiotics without our being conscious of it.
So what we think of as "consciousness" is just our brain processing information that has a sensory manifestation. Light goes into our eyes, is processed by our brain, and then we know what's in the room.
But if the lights are turned off in the room, we still now what's in the room.
And we call this capability "consciousness" but that's not what it is.
The difficulty is that any conversation about this topic takes on the character of a Buddhist riddle. No one knows how to take the next step.
Oh no, a wild true believer suddenly appears.
JK :)
This does, in a sense, all boil down to semantics. Poeple can argue for hours about whether a tree falling in the forest with no one to hear makes a sound without realizing that they're arguing over the definition of "sound". But the notion of conscious versus unconscious decisions is a useful one, so given that we have multiple possible scientific definitions of "consciousness" that correspond to our traditional conception we might as well pick the one that's most useful.
This seems like an excellent article. Whether you agree with the author or not, he positions his ideas relative to other thinkers who are positing broadly verifiable ideas about the nature of consciousness, a subject that can easily veer off to irrefutable subjective claims.
It may well be the initial decision is subconscious and although we then (sometimes) inspect it in a meta/conscious way (and recursively if we are thinking hard), the article is saying we shouldn't confuse the meta process with the original thought. That original thought is derived in an unknown way. Its akin to the subsymbolic vs symbolic discussion elsewhere on HN in my opinion. The unconscious thought being the ANN (subsymbolic part) the meta function examining that thought and procesing it further being the symbolic part(consciousness).
"On Having No Head: Cognition throughout Biological Systems"
This is one of the more annoying things editors do to other people's writing.
It is observable, but not externally verifiable; it literally encompasses the entirety of the category of things for which that is true.
Just in case you're tempted to downplay science's blind spot here, consider that this also means science has next to nothing to say about 99+% of your life.
If you take a reductionist stance in this domain you actually have to philosophically ground it in a way that you don't have to worry about too much in other fields of study. Otherwise you'll end up with an embarrassing phlogistic theory of consciousness.
But complex and interesting ones.
A gaggle of Academic Philosophers all nodding in agreement that they have no control over their thoughts or publications.
It’s not really very revolutionary, we already know this and it seems obvious when pointed out, it also does nothing to explain how experience of those outputs arises, or what it is.
It appears to me (correct me if I'm wrong), that he is simply claiming that we believe we are having much more rich conscious experiences than we actually are, and that we are often mislead or mistaken about the character of our experience. As a meditator, I can corroborate these claims.
None of these claims deny the existence of subjective experience itself which is the basis of the hard problem. He's merely saying that our conscious experiences are much more disconnected, less informationally dense and less orderly than we believe.
If there was only one particle in the universe, it wouldn't have a height. I disagree that the average person has the capacity to be wrong about their consciousness, because without another one to compare it against they have no way to form opinions about it.
We tend to think that we have a very continuous constant stream of attention and thought but in reality if you learn to pay attention, you'll see that your mind is pretty erratic and experience is not at all like your memories tend to represent.
Although I think what it is saying is poorly explained and too simple.
Haha