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Slightly different purpose, but it's a reminder that Omnia Turris exists: https://omnia.turris.cz/en/

100% Open hardware, comes with OpenWRT and it is easy to modify

https://forum.turris.cz/t/high-performance-configuration-upd...

https://forum.turris.cz/t/omnia-on-steroids-project-your-opi...

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The Turris is a luxury toy for rich techies to play around with. Librerouter is outdoor infrastructure for remote developing areas. Their purposes could not be more different and the only thing they have in common is that the both contain radios and run OpenWRT.

Does LibreRouter have pricing yet? I've never seen an open hardware product with competitive pricing (except maybe Arduino).

I jumped from a Turris Omnia to Unifi kit after the Turris broke during an update (sorry, I need my stuff to work all the time). Funnily enough I miss it, but the decision to use knot as the resolver is very, very strange. The Omnia is based on the Espressobin, which is also worth looking at.

Why is it strange for cznic to use a resolver they developed in their product? Does it have problems on that hardware?

I still have mine, but the software didn't support the IPv6 mode I needed (6rd) and ended up getting an ASUS RT-AC3200.

Turris supports ipv6 out of box, unless I misunderstood your comment?

When I tried, it supported IPv6 on static and some other modes, but not the 6RD mode, which ATT uses.

Having a diverse set of DNS software is a great thing, I'm not sure why you think that's strange. Why have every single router vulnerable to the next BIND bug?

BIND? Who still uses that? Its dnsmasq and unbound all over.

Bind is still very heavily used. Dnsmasq is popular in many of the container deployment models. I love Unbound, and hope that it gains more popularity. ISC (Bind) refuses to implement the min-ttl feature of Unbound. Unbound has better query (request and response) logging than Bind.

BIND 9.14 will have min-cache-ttl and min-ncache-ttl options

https://gitlab.isc.org/isc-projects/bind9/issues/613

Oh wow, I wonder who convinced them to consider it. Nice!

> Who still uses that?

The top 100 largest ISPs in the world, as measured by CAIDA ASRANK.

It never broke for me, but my update config allows installing update a week after it was published, so I get probably more polished packages. Omnia also has command `schnapps` which allows to take snapshots of / and rollback system after failed updates/experiments.

I don't like that cz.nic decided to make something so different than vanilla OpenWRT. I use my Turris Omnia with vanilla OpenWRT and it kinda works. I still have an issue with /dev/urandom failing to return anything that I'm working on.

In general I don't understand why so many commercialized open source products end up forking an OSS project and then reinventing the wheel so much. The Turris folks wrote a lot of code and spent a lot of effort that they could have used to better the OpenWRT project and I don't really understand why.

I doubt I'll buy another product from cz.nic again.

> I don't like that cz.nic decided to make something so different than vanilla OpenWRT.

They said it so themselves. When TurrisOS was made (don't forget that it also runs on the older Turris routers), openWRT was stagnating (that was before LEDE came to life) and there were no clear indications on what it would happen.

The version 4 is going to be rebased on the latest OpenWRT, and for MOX a lot of things are being pushed upstream (so I'm being told).

Not affiliated with cz.nic in any way, but I am an Omnia owner.

Mine has worked almost flawlessly since I got it 2 years ago. I have not had a single problem that a simple reboot has not fixed. The only bad thing in the device was the thingies where you screw the antennas. In my router they were somehow loose and I had to open the router case to tighten them. Otherwise I could not have been happier that I bought mine.

The turris team actually started another kickstarter project last summer: https://mox.turris.cz/en/overview/ I instantly backed that project too. Not because I needed a new router, but because I have a soft spot for any Open Source / Open Hardware projects and I wanted to support them.

How is it open hardware if they're using an ARM CPU? I don't see a link anywhere to the open source firmware, but I'm admittedly on mobile.

Colloquially, schematics, board layout files, and the ability for the user to replace any firmware that the developer can is the bar for open hardware.

Here's their firmware: https://gitlab.labs.nic.cz/turris/openwrt

Also of note is the specific SoC used by the Omnia -- Marvell A385. It's a really neat chip that you can fully bring up not only without vendor binary blobs, but even using strictly the mainline versions of u-boot, and linux.

https://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=blob;f=configs/turris_om...

https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/lin...

Is it really 100% open hardware? Did they release the design files yet? They did release them for older Turris products and placed them under Cern OHL [1], but last time I checked they did not do so for the Turris Omnia [2]. I was a bit disappointed about that, since they promised it to be open hardware during the crowdfunding.

[1] https://project.turris.cz/en/hardware-documentation

[2] https://forum.turris.cz/t/turris-omnia-hardware-documentatio...

I love it...is there something similar to this with specifications taken down a notch which would help decrease the price a little bit?

Did you tried it, is it worth it?

I've been using it for almost 3 years at home with domoticz, NAS, OpenVPN gateway for all clients at home, QoS and bandwidth splitter.

And funnily its from cznic while the op's router is from apnic.

Actually it's not apnic's, the blog is just writing about it. These are the people working on it: https://librerouter.org/team

Thanks, failed to notice that. Will need to come back later to their site though:

"librerouter.org uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate expired on 19. Dezember 2018, 18:11:42 GMT+1."

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