> Elastic is a really powerful system but I think there is growing sentiment that its overkill for container logs

I don't know much about kubernetes, but Loki looks super interesting for our application logs too.

Could someone maybe ELI5 what the difference is between "container logs" and, well, any other kind of logs? Don't most dockerized application send their stdout to Docker, and aren't those, then, the container logs? What kind of logs _aren't_ "container logs" and therefore a better fit for ElasticSearch than Loki?

Thanks :-)