Microsoft is Dead (2007)
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> They can't hire smart people anymore, but they could buy as many as they wanted.
> Buy all the good "Web 2.0" startups. They could get substantially all of them for less than they'd have to pay for Facebook.
> Put them all in a building in Silicon Valley, surrounded by lead shielding to protect them from any contact with Redmond.
Instead, Microsoft did the exact opposite. They picked Satya Nadella who had worked there since 1992. He has driven the innovation right out of Redmond, WA with no lead shielding required.
It seems the play these days is to have the best of both worlds.
Under Satya, Microsoft went on a shopping spree. They bought a ton of startups: Minecraft, Github, Skype, Sunrise, LinkedIn (tnx comments!), Yammer ... and along with those it bought a mapping company, a multitude of ad/marketing companies, educational startups, AI startups...etc, etc. Those are just the ones we know about.
Update: here's a list of all MS acquisitions. It's rather lengthly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitio...
Did you know they almost bought Twitch.tv, but Amazon had more money?
And as far as locking them in the same building, that's not exactly operationally efficient in 2018. But they seemed to have done their best at either merging the products right away, or letting the team run on their own.
So, they did pretty well, according to the plan.
1) Skype was purchased by Ballmer.
2) Most of the ad tech companies were also purchased by Ballmer.
3) Minecraft and Skype are not Bay Area companies
4) LinkedIn was a public company when Microsoft acquired them. So it seems like a stretch to call them a startup.
5) And finally it looks like Microsoft has done acquisitions throughout their existence. In fact, they acquired as many companies in 2007 as they did in 2018 and more in 2007 than 2017.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitio...
It doesn't seem like "buy lots of Bay Area Web 2.0 companies to infuse new talent" is the secret ingredient. Yahoo was the company that probably closest executed the strategy. That didn't go well as we all know.
I feel like we as a society haven't really entirely got a handle on this yet. Things emerge, like trusts, and it takes a while for people to understand what has happened.
But, with things like Windows 10 telemetry you can't turn off, and Windows turning into a service, they've gotten back on board with how Big Tech runs these days.
This pattern seems to hold really well. The giants mostly amass data and manipulate people. If they don't do this sort of thing, they don't really seem that threatening, regardless of their size. HP, IBM, Dell. Apple seems interesting, as a hold-out on just selling a product, but in the meta game, just direct manipulation of people really looks like a step up, and I don't predict they'll continue as anything approaching a "scary tech giant" in coming decades unless they change like Microsoft did.
Yes, I can confidently say that I miss the old Microsoft. They were strongly closed-source and proprietary (not that it didn't stop people from understanding how things worked anyway...), but they did not do the sort of data collection, behavioural analysis and advert-driven manipulation that the others were doing, and still highly valued backward-compatibility and stability.
Now they're going the same route as the other tech giants, silently collecting information while also open-sourcing a lot of other things almost as a form of distraction/diversion. You could consider the fact that they're open-sourcing something to mean they're not interested in selling that as a product anymore, and that's because their profit is coming from somewhere else.
https://www.theverge.com/microsoft/2012/2/2/2766215/gmail-ma...
It was flagged dead on HN because the perception was "do no evil' Google good, M$ bad.
They tried harder later on with the somewhat cringy Scroogled campaign and found out the public didnt care while Google laughed all the way to the bank while increasing data tracking, collection and usage. And here we are.
Edit: Found a thread discussing it, with one top 10 by karma HN user explaining why they flagged it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3544309
Microsoft's classic businesses are pretty comprehensible. Software (boxes or as a service) and cloud services are pretty solid business models. They don't require unrealistic expectations or gimmickry to work. There might be shifts within that market (the MSRP of a browser is 0, and that of an OS is plummeting towards 0 quickly), but you can realistically say "I want to sell a software package" or "I want to run a cloud service provider" and make a business case without fantastic assumptions.
In contrast, much of the value of Google and Facebook and similar companies is based on anticipation of the future value of those big data stores, a largely unproven asset.
Will consumers reach an "uncanny valley" moment for personalized marketing messages, resulting in a downturn in click-throughs?
Will advertisers always be willing to pay a premium for improved targeting? I could see a competing product offering spray-and-pray banner ads with .01% click-through rates at a few cents per click outperforming hyper-targeted ads that draw a 5% click-through rate at several dollars a click.
Will they be able to successfully retain, grow, and monetize their data hoard after the inevitable regulatory backlash? (I could imagine a sufficient data breach resulting in regulations that make the GDPR look small potatoes)
By configure it to block svchost.exe from access network except 192.168.0.0/16, the windows 10 system service can have very light load on my laptop.
Combine with ProcessExplorer to monitor various processes's network traffic, I can make my laptop where the only two programs can access the internet are Firefox and Chrome.
Once every 6-9 months, when I feel like it, I do release the svchost.exe from the jail for a day to free win10 to get the latest security update.
With this setup, I can make the Win10 home edition laptop to have system uptime of 6 months or more.
[0] https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/07/20/microsoft-corporat...
They sort of have no choice but to play in this space given that Google does, they can’t just surrender that territory. But if the “attention economy” went away tomorrow MS core business would be fine, how much actual revenue do we think they even make from Windows 10 telemetry? Compared to Azure and O365?
> The last nail in the coffin came, of all places, from Apple. Thanks to OS X, Apple has come back from the dead in a way that is extremely rare in technology. [2] Their victory is so complete that I'm now surprised when I come across a computer running Windows. Nearly all the people we fund at Y Combinator use Apple laptops. It was the same in the audience at startup school. All the computer people use Macs or Linux now. Windows is for grandmas, like Macs used to be in the 90s. So not only does the desktop no longer matter, no one who cares about computers uses Microsoft's anyway.
If you live in a forest you'll think the world is made of trees.
Paul Graham is a very clever man, and I have a lot of respect for him, but he lives in a high tech bubble. People in high-tech start-ups use apple; people who work in creative industries (mostly) use apple; most of the rest of the world use Windows PCs. So to declare the desktop (does this include laptop?) "dead", especially back in 2005, is most definitely premature.
Question: has anyone out there come across a non-high-tech multinational corporation that uses apples instead of PCs?
This sounds like a very ignorant thing to state. Wherever I worked, the best programmers used Windows and Linux desktops. Why? Because they too busy coding to get caught up in the Apple hype is my best guess. You know just like he talks about being ignorant to what was going on in Microsoft world, many coders I worked with did not know or care about what was going on in Apple world. There was one group of people who I did notice flock to Apple OS's, wannabe developers. The type that talk a lot about new tech but never wrote code that got deployed to production.
The best developers I know don't really care what OS they're on, but MacOS is what they'll pick if they get a choice.
How so?
This isn't even really a debate for developers, and pretending like it is just baits the idiotic "Great OS Wars" debates that have zero rational actors. "What's the best OS (for x)" has been, for probably 25 years, a flaimbait level question.
Besides, I use "all" 3 OSes (MacOS, Linux, Windows) for various things, why does this have to be a, "YOU CAN ONLY PICK ONE!" conversation? I could happily develop on Linux or Windows, I am (along with most in the industry, based on my conversations with people over the years) just happiest on MacOS.
I had by far the most problems with OS X. Windows has been the “just works” OS for me since Windows 7. I’ve had zero bugs and zero crashes. I know that’s not universal, but I’ve spent thousands of hours with various Linux distros, MacOS, and Windows, so it’s also not exactly anecdotal.
The opinion part of that matters a lot less than the silly elitism of “good developers choose ____” OS. I like to be able to customize every aspect of my OS, so I preferred Linux for a long time and now typically use Windows (because it’s customizable enough and easier to use).
If you don't consider your OS a separate hobby unto itself, MacOS wins against Linux desktops, easily.
1. https://www.cultofmac.com/522627/yet-another-crazy-bug-uncov...
Also, an OS having bugs and an OS being "terrible" are also entirely unrelated.
Should I just link the bug trackers for each of the desktop environments available for Linux? Should I link the Linux kernel bug tracker (not that either such thing is actually fair)?
You're flamebaiting more OS wars, and honestly I'm pretty sure that's explicitly disallowed on HN, per the rules.
> You're flamebaiting more OS wars, and honestly I'm pretty sure that's explicitly disallowed on HN, per the rules.
... ok.
> Stating a fact
Not sure if serious.
Like, really - do you not realize how biased you sound? Or rather - how _few_ people will agree with you, making the "statement of fact" pure flamebait?
When I started using it, I'd say "lol just like Windows" on every glitch, nowadays when something wrong/slow happens on Windows I say "lol like a Mac"
Oh, also - needing 3rd party software for simple things like setting high-enough mouse sensitivity, window maximization that is not idiotic on multiple monitors, window snapping, or system-wide equalizer.
Really I found the only good thing about Mac OS is a terminal (that is until Terminal app started crashing after some update, taking all my tabs with it - a known bug months ago, still not fixed). But then in Windows I set up ConEMU + MinGW64 for only slightly inferior experience, in like an hour including research.
In any event, thanks for your anecdote.
What exactly does iTerm do that makes you regard it better than Terminal?
I'll check out pssh. The cool thing about iTerm input broadcasting is you can turn it on and off rapidly, so you can start out broadcasting, stop for a sec to adjust one host, then resume. pssh looks like you'd have to establish a separate connection.
However, I do want my monitor to stop blinking from 2560 to 1920 for no reason, and my terminal from crashing, and to stop saying "hey I can't hear you, kill coreaudiod" in meetings. And actually come think of it, it would be nice to open files from non-open dialogs (I don't know why the context menu in dialogs cannot just be a normal context menu ), and also can I not have the thing where the files created on the date that is after the date the app was opened, show up in "No Date" section at the bottom of its open/save/etc dialogs, when grouped by date? That's really annoying when you want to attach a latest file.
I agree with your observation about those who prefer Apple products: it seems to be more of a fashion statement.
The last sentence is ironically funny now that MS is back on top and Apple is slipping, and the article is about the "death" of MS.
> Microsoft closed Friday with a larger market cap than Apple’s, making the Redmond software giant the most valuable U.S. stock.
http://fortune.com/2018/11/30/microsoft-bumping-apple-is-now...
Well, yes, I'm assuming the irony is part of the reason this was posted here.
To counter this with my own dubious and oversimplified explanation, Microsoft did not fail because it has created a monopoly, a walled-off ecosystem they control, and they managed to protect it in most desktop segments. Google has it's own monopolies, as do all of the successful companies that are still around. Microsoft's failure to extend their monopolies into mobile and web costed them the crown of the tech industry, but they're far from dead.
Apple rebooted solley on it's iPhone walled garden - their desktop was moribund and the iPod, while an inovative product and short term cash cow, was not conducive to a monopoly, so it was quickly duplicated and made obsolete. Yahoo was not able to create and maintain its monopolies, so it's dead.
Microsoft has changed a lot since, and still putting much of an effort and money to gain trust amongst the community. Just remind yourself the reaction when GitHub acquisition announced. For three weeks I read blog posts filled broadcasting fear and loathing as if the government of China has bought Facebook, Twitter and Slack altogether.
I wish I'd bought the book, or at least remembered its title.
Like you, this memory has stuck with me.
Maybe that’s when Microsoft started gaining traction.
It was 10 years before Microsoft managed to drag itself up and do something useful with itself.
It's really remarkable that Microsoft managed such a big turn around after such epic failures (like mobile); others (like IBM...) are still struggling to do it.
Just goes to show, competitive pressure is a good thing. :)
You and I have a very different definition[0] of 'solid'. Unless you mean 'relatively', in which case I agree.
0. https://www.cvedetails.com/product/17153/Microsoft-Windows-7...
https://www.cvedetails.com/product/156/Apple-Mac-Os-X.html?v...
Meanwhile, microsoft's track record over the same period, with quite a few (major) OS releases, is.. https://www.cvedetails.com/vendor/26/Microsoft.html
One of the most common biases I see in how we assess leaders is how we try to attribute success & failure to a single person at a discrete point in time (ex: Here in the US, the extreme Left claims Trump is taking credit for Obama's foundational effort for the economy while the extreme Right says it's all Trump). In reality, it is never that simple nor discrete but rather complex and continuous.
I felt the same way that Paul did, Microsoft had calcified into this Office/Enterprise crust, living off their contracts with big businesses, while the real world was cruising to a new, agile, and open source beat. I had also been at Sun when it was still small, and cringed when bad news from IBM put a big negative impact on Sun's nascent stock price, even though, at the time, IBM's pain was coming from Sun not that we'd share in it.
But the trap that I had fallen into, and this essay expresses, is that "Today is every day" or more precisely, now that the world is to my liking, it will cease changing in ways that I disapprove. :-) I felt like the puzzle is figured out, I "get it" now, I can see the strings going from the puppets to the puppeteers and now I can see how the world is working.
But the cruel trick is that in systems, the puppets are recursive, or in mathematical terms, the forces influencing the future direction of technology are nonlinear at best, and likely chaotic. Everyone is changing in response to the changes they perceive around them, and in response some of their changes change those around them. Like the traffic analyst who figured out you could stomp your brakes going West on Interstate 10, and have the 'wave' of your braking effect roll south on the Harbor, get picked up going north on the 405, only to have it come back and hit you from the front as its echo headed east back along the 10. Sun made Workstations and Microsoft only cared about PCs except the echo of what a workstation was suddenly came back and hit Sun in the face as a big PC. Or Sun's prophetic, if ill fated slogan that "The Network is the Computer", which turned out to be literally true as clusters of Linux machines took out big iron symmetric multiprocessing systems. And then again, as Paul points out, when the Web browser ran its "programs" on the "network." Where did the computer start and the network end? It was no longer possible to tell.
Take away from this the certain knowledge that Google, Facebook, and Apple will all "die" (Apple for the second time :-)) at some point in the next 5 to 20 years. What we care about today will seem silly in the future, and the there will be technologies that enable completely different things to consume our time and resources than the things that do so today.
People create startups and dream new dreams for the same reason a surfer starts paddling their board toward shore, waves come up, and you have to be in position to get a good ride.
Maybe Apple, MS, Google, etc already die several times.
Is just that enough of it survive and learn from the past, even a little.
Maybe is easier to present the new king as the same old king, long live the king.
The present news just says Microsoft's market valuation is higher than apple's (today). Not sure if it really affects the central thesis of the article.
EDIT: literally the first paragraph of the article
"I was talking to a young startup founder about how Google was different from Yahoo. I said that Yahoo had been warped from the start by their fear of Microsoft. That was why they'd positioned themselves as a "media company" instead of a technology company. Then I looked at his face and realized he didn't understand. It was as if I'd told him how much girls liked Barry Manilow in the mid 80s. Barry who?
Microsoft? He didn't say anything, but I could tell he didn't quite believe anyone would be frightened of them."
People fear Facebook and Google and Amazon, if only for the immense amounts of damage they do to societies and polities. Who is afraid of MS (or IBM)? Do startup founders even think of MS as a factor in their plans (which seems to be what the article is about)
Ironically, In 2007 Microsoft’s market cap was more than twice that of Apple’s ($270B vs $100B). That company’s staying power is truly amazing.
Microsoft is to computing as Ford is to automobiles. Both are still there if you want them to be your choice, but by the same token, if you don't need them in your life, they aren't forced upon you.
Me? I haven't owned a Ford since 1985. I switched to Unix/Linux in 1991.
> They still think they can write software in house. Maybe they can, by the standards of the desktop world. But that world ended a few years ago.
And now, I bet a vast majority of people funded by YC use VS Code. Maybe even Azure.
I found myself really missing (1) homebrew (2) a decent terminal (I tried a bunch...) and (3) good trackpad drivers.
Not huge things, but enough to make switching feel unappealing.
(There are a few things similar to homebrew, but none seemed to have gained enough attraction to cover basically anything you could want, the way homebrew does.)
WSL is great and I'm learning to like cmder but I really miss iterm.
My Surface Book has a faulty battery and I am using an MBP when I'm not at the office. I not sure I will stick with Win 10 on my next computer, but I am sure I'm not going back to OSX.
WSL isn't perfect, but it feel more open and more linux-like to me than OSX. Maybe a Pixel Book,maybe straight Linux.
Yes, it does. If you want to avoid it, you can use vscodium https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium
I don't recall it being like that before or since.
This is also a testament to how the web won and now mobile/smart devices are eating the web. Before it was about where the eyeballs where. The web democratized access to these eyeballs.