Comment by kemayo | Hacker News Reader

Comment by kemayo | Hacker News Reader

deviantART!

We're looking for senior (team-lead) and regular developers. It's a PHP job, and we exclusively hire remote workers. We have about 16 developers at the moment, but we're expanding because we have a lot of projects on the backburner that we'd like to get started on.

We only hire people who can do everything. You have to be able to write backend PHP code, HTML/CSS, JavaScript, and SQL. We don't want to have people employed who we can't just point at any problem that comes up. (People do tend to find their own niche, admittedly.)

...unless you're a great search developer, in which case we'll hire you anyway and lock you in a small room where you will never do anything but improve our search. <3 <3 <3

I will warn you that, no matter how awesome you are, everyone we hire spends their first 90 days in the small-projects and bugfixes silo. We think that it's a great way to make sure that everyone knows the code.

Also, it's a 10 year old PHP codebase; we predate almost every PHP framework. We're running an in-house framework. Understand that you will have to deal with varying levels of code. :)

http://deviantart.theresumator.com/apply

Your tech stack is right in my alley. Sending resume over now.

Sent my resume over this morning.

My resume is a website/page, how exactly do I submit that in this resumator thing? Reformatting a website as DOC/DOCX/PDF is a bit absurd.

you can probably just send a link in a cover letter

No, no you can't. It requires an upload of a PDF/DOC/DOCX in order to submit the form.

Just an idea, but you'll probably find your time better spent building and submitting a doc, than complaining to your potential future employer.

An employer that only accepts word and PDF documents for my 'resume' isn't one I want to work for. You'd think that'd be clear from my displeasure with their rather factory-oriented submission process.

I'm not in need of a job right now, I am poking around because I'd like to have some side work for when I leave the country. Not mandatory by any means.

Just an idea, but you may want to get off your high horse and go do something useful other than criticizing people trying to discuss something.

Wow

Is it safe to assume you won't be using your posting history on HN as a form of character reference? :)

" I am poking around because I'd like to have some side work for when I leave the country" so you do need a job then, eh?

I've passed job ads and headhunter calls that require resumes in Word only or just ignore it and submit in pdf/html/text.

See? I'm not the only one.

You are handling this differently in that you're having a fuss over it instead of just ignoring it.

It started with my making a note of it. It's other people that inflated the balloon with hydrogen, now I'm just riding it into the volcano.

I think the minute he starts complaining about the company, is the minute it's no longer appropriate to call it his future company!

Academically, he's trying to serve up a point. But he's potentially doing more damage to himself by doing so.

"Damage"

I don't need a job right now and as I mentioned elsewhere, this kind of thing usually takes a company out of the running for me anyway.

Honestly speaking, if you are getting hung up on a problem as simple as this and can't seem to find a creative solution, YC may not be the best place to look for jobs.

I know this sounds harsh, but I really feel compelled to type it.

You've missed the point. I can generate a PDF/DOC in a minute. I can do it programmatically using a parser and a lib.

That's not what I'm getting at. The resumator thing is annoying.

People make note of far less serious UI mea culpas on here all the time. But when they want a job, they're suddenly willing to tolerate anything.

The hypocrisy here is astounding.

Gainful employment is all about trading your tolerance for various things for money.

I feel like I'm being helpful if I point out a UI bug in another HNer's product, because that might help them to correct it and make it better.

I feel like it might be necessary to point out a bug in a product I've tried to use, as explanation for why I don't use that product (when the discussion is topical.)

I might be inclined to complain about the Resumator bug, if it so affected me, but only after I've used it to apply to the job I wanted, and definitely not instead of.

Regardless of exactly who is being hypocritical, the message you're sending is that the annoyance of using Resumator (a service that DeviantArt did not build) is greater than your desire for this job.

If I were the potential employer, I would assume that means one of a few things, all of which are harsh: - You're too lazy to submit your own resume, and would prefer someone contacted you in whatever manner most convenient to you - You're too good to submit your resume, and would prefer someone contacted you in whatever manner is most convenient to you - You don't like the job that much, but would definitely take a paycheck if someone who was willing to do the job for you would also pay you as though you'd done it - You're FAR too detail-oriented, refusing to lower yourself to the standards of a poorly designed resume submission method.

You can extrapolate out the rest if you like, as an exercise to the reader.

For what it's worth, I don't necessarily believe any of those things, but one of those is the impression I got reading your previous posts in this thread.

Yes, submitting for a job is an annoyance, and can be time consuming. It's part of the process.

It's far simpler than that. Everyone person in a position to make a hire has potentially irrational but commonly effective "cues" they use to sniff out if a candidate is a bad idea.

Such cues would be carelessness, lack of attention to detail, poor handwriting, anything that suits the fancy of the person doing the observing really.

As someone who's doing some casual sniffing about, I do the same thing. If I see indications that the company isn't the kind of place I'd enjoy working for, I figure it's cheaper/easier for me to never even bother than to potentially get into a position that makes me unhappy.

That is, if I see a job posting rife with misspellings (not that this one was, just an example), that requires PDF/DOC resume uploading (guilty, in this case, which is surprising on HN), or that is asking for more years of experience in a language that hasn't existed that long.

(I'm looking forward to the MINIMUM 5 YEARS OF CLOJURE EXPERIENCE posts)

They tripped a wire. I gave them a chance to explain/correct/laugh-with-me. None happened, instead I trigger the hypocritical and self-righteous horde of hackerne.ws

So the employer is allowed to have standards but I am not. Yeah, I see how it is.

I'd rather start my own company than deal with people who can retain that magnitude of cognitive dissonance and remain outwardly functional.

Get to starting your own company. I'd be curious to see what comes of it.

I don't think that anybody meant to imply that you weren't allowed to have standards.

Either you consider the job worthy of the annoyance of applying, or you don't. Given the latter, I see little point in bitching about the process while still soliciting employment.

Call me old-fashioned.

Way past soliciting employment, stop fixating on a moot point. As I said, I don't actually need a job, I was curious about their company.

For what it's worth, I understand the point you are trying to make. I understand that you are not looking for a job. I understand that you do not hope to work for the company that requires a DOC/PDF/etc. document submission.

I agree that requiring a PDF/DOC/etc. is annoying and horrible UI and probably drives off some brilliant prospective employees.

And I have also had the experience you're having now, where it seems like everyone has agreed to ignore the point and belabour ad nauseum some other, tangentially related issue.

File->Print->PDFCreator. Takes like two seconds. Maybe 20 seconds if you don't already have PDFCreator installed.

And lose the links.

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