Comment by dvtrn | Hacker News Reader

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FWIW I can easily imagine an angry, old white man calling a 30 year old white man 'boy'

Have you ever actually seen this?

Or, failing that, have you ever read the Alex Haley book "Roots"? or seen the television series based upon? There's an entire scene of protagonist Kunta Kente being whipped savagely as the slave master repeatedly asks "what's your name boy" to dehumanize him and strip him of his birthright and birth-given identity, changing his African name to a white, Anglo-Christian name.

I can't think of a better example than that of how that word came to be weaponized against an entire group of people to the point we have come to now.

"Boy" to black people (hi there, black person here) has a LOT of history of being blatant, unambiguous and pretty darn direct.

Although...

I suppose it's easier if one hasn't lived that life though to rest their laurels on what they "imagine" versus what people like me continually have to point out actually happens because we're the ones living through it.

In the south people use the expression “boy” in non-racial contexts all the time, you’re wrong to suspect he hasn’t seen it before. Have you ever spent time in the southeast, outside of Atlanta?

Your Roots reference is correct but it doesn’t prove your point.

Have you ever spent time in the southeast, outside of Atlanta?

I was born and raised in South Carolina (a town called Moore), and actually went to college in Atlanta, and served in the military in Alabama and later Louisiana, and I recall quite vividly being aggressively called boy from everyone from high school disciplinarians to police officers.

So yes, I have spent considerable time in the southeast. I know quite well where I come from, what's your point?

If you want to sit here and quiz me about my lived experiences as a black man in the southern US, knock yourself out, I suspect most of the answers I give you aren't going to be what you think you want them to be.

you’re wrong to suspect he hasn’t seen it before

I welcome dvtrn to correct me on the matter, as I don't want to speak on their behalf out of line, but taken in context, it seems pretty obvious to me what he was doing was contrasting what someone imagines race relations being like to what he actually lived and experienced is as a black man in the south. No imagination needed on his part.

I think the benefit of the doubt there is earned.

it seems pretty obvious to me what he was doing was contrasting what someone imagines race relations being like and what his actual experience is as a black man in the south

It's quite annoying that it needs to be explained like this, since it should be pretty painfully apparent, but yes.

Sorry but I'm (personally) not particularly inclined to favorably entertain what someone "imagines" about dog-whistle terminology. Their proximity to the ebbs and flows of southern racial 'charm' doesn't hold a candle to what I actually lived through and experienced first hand for 30 years-as a direct recipient of aggressive, racially loaded behavior and speech.

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