Even leaks like the Stratfor files are certainly in the best interests of the "little guy," if anyone actually gives a shit about them.
But if "all a man is, is what others say of him," then by watching the news, Assange is just a Russian agent.
Or maybe my left-leaning echo chamber is portraying him as that, and the alt-right bubble sees him as a Russian agent?
It'd be interesting to compare notes... is there a service for matching up people in different bubbles so we can compare facts?
Currently, the alt-right does not see him as a Russian agent, because Russia doesn't meddle in elections and stuff. That's just crazy talk propaganda. They are dangerous with some nuclear stuff so we have to build more nukes. But they are good in Syria and we need to either step away completely from that shit-show or give them a hand and fight on their side. It's complicated.
The left-leaning have Assange see him as a tool of right-wing US politics which are 100% bought by Russian oligarchs, or maybe the US politics bought the Russian oligarchs. It's unclear.
Questions?
Whatever you do, do not cross the streams. Gotta keep both (can never have more than 2 sides in a debate! that's we call it bi-partisan! have you heard of tri-partisan?! Is that some kind of cheese?! lol) sides hot and angry. Don't mind the man behind the curtain.
I'm wondering why the downvotes though? Do we not understand that we inhabit bubbles?
Bubbles are what OTHER people inhabit, see. We're all special and unique free-thinkers immune to unconscious biases. Or something.
You're just like Mitch McConnell calling for bipartisanship and fairplay after years of crap. Completely disingenuous.
if you can read in any flattering from me on either red or blue, I don't know what to say.
And I'm poking fun of the whole "calling for bipartisanship" for ignoring that there might be more than two parts to any one issue, and then you compare me to (red team) Mitch McConnell!
Handing over the microphone to you, my comedy act can't match this. How's that knee?
Really I have the feeling that they have gotten played like a goddamn fiddle by the intelligence agencies - after they faced the right turning against them for believing what their lying eyes were telling them about Trump's blatant Putin connections. So they are trying to save their behind after they were the brunt of rightful left-wing grudges over things like the Iraq intelligence, spying on activists, and spying on everyone pissing off the general public that doesn't drink the red white and blue "we need to destroy our freedoms to save them" koolaid.
I'm personally of a liberal of a 'free market but intervene when it works better and highly value civil rights' view who believes that the sheer dark history of the intelligence agencies makes the moderate option be to purge every last organization and make sure they never work in anything peripherally related again.
Strip away all labels and contexts and you would probably agree that an agency of torturers who trains dictators, overthrows democracies for short term petty economic interests at great suffering, invented depravities like 'rape dogs', and 'rectal feeding', practices torture despite knowing it doesn't work and more means that they deserve far worse.
One of the most interesting aspect of the assange story is how the news industry celebrated assange in the early part of the 2010s and then started to demonize him in the past few years. It was all so sudden as if someone flipped a switch and everyone got on the same message.
It's also interesting how sexual assault accusations were used to take down assange just like it was used for kavanaugh.
And it is how propaganda works. There is no coordination between the 5 or 6 or however many media outlets but it seems as if there is turn almost based on how quickly he went from a martir to Russian puppet in just a year or less.
Same thing kind of happened to Greenwald though to a lesser degree.
https://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2013-06/prism-prob...
https://twitter.com/SamHarrisOrg/status/803464221786677248?s...
What evidence do you have for that claim?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent
It's well known and has good research on how multiple media outlets can produce the same output basically.
Did you mean they do explicitly coordinate? I haven't seen or heard of that happening. Not that it's impossible.
The DNC/Podesta leaks were timed specifically to cause maximum negative effect to Clinton and the Democrats.
Then there's the lack of curation in some of the leaks. A lot of personal data that shouldn't be public by any means (e.g. medical information, sexual identity) has been leaked by Wikileaks. There is a limit to what information should be open and available to the public.
I also can't help but feel like they've stopped being transparency campaigners and whistleblowers, and now do it for the social media spectacle and publicity. Just look at how they released Vault 7, with their viral cryptic posts before the release. Wikileaks feels more like a media agency than a group of transparency crusaders these days.
Wikileaks has always been anti-US, when they finally manage to deliver a good punch they’re suddenly a bad actor?
> also can't help but feel like they've stopped being transparency campaigners and whistleblowers, and now do it for the social media spectacle and publicity. Just look at how they released Vault 7, with their viral cryptic posts before the release. Wikileaks feels more like a media agency than a group of transparency crusaders
Publicity brings more leaks. They’re simply doing a good job.
What's wrong with this? Assange didn't steal this information, he just published it. That's the freedom of speech.
Also, US wants to prosecute Assange not because of leak of personal information, but rather because of political reasons. Only because he is against the wars that US started in the Middle East.
If the best a state level actor can do to "bring down" a person, they'd most likely manage something more untoward than "had consensual sex with someone, but questionable consent over the use of a condom".
I think that more points to a narcissistic type, than a conspiracy on a state bent on character assassination.=
The FBI apparently sent agents to other countries trying to frame Assange. Iceland told them to fuck off: www.katoikos.eu/interview/icelandic-minister-who-refused-cooperation-with-the-fbi-ogmundur-jonasson-in-an-interview.html
Many also claim Assange has proof he was conspired against, or at least was innocent: https://abc.net.au/news/2016-12-07/julian-assange-goes-publi...
And well, as someone who grew up in Australia, that article is full of nothings:
- while 'rape' is used repeatedly, no-one, including either the woman involved, nor the prosecutor has ever claimed that rape or non-consensual sex occurred, only that there was a "disagreement about the use of condoms".
- In the statement Mr Assange says he has been subjected to "six years of unlawful, politicised detention without charge" - well, yes. He does say that. Others say he has subjected _himself_ to detention and exile.
- these are all claims of Assange, who hasn't released any of the text messages, just said "he has [some, but not all] of them
So when you say "Many also claim", the more accurate statement is "Assange claims".
1-https://medium.com/@helen.buyniski/free-julian-assange-or-yo...