UFOs spotted off Irish coast under investigation
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My rational mind doesn't really believe in all of this, but if it did, I think I'd take Jacques Vallee's theory seriously. Jacques Vallee is an astronomer and computer scientist (involved in early ARPANET) who's studied the phenomenon since at least the 70s. Here's a fun paper:
https://www.scientificexploration.org/docs/4/jse_04_1_vallee...
He essentially argues that the UFO phenomenon is neither extra terrestrials nor merely misidentified aerial craft. It's something even stranger!
Also, if you find that paper interesting, here's one of this books (one of the most well-known in the anomalous phenomenon field):
https://www.amazon.com/Passport-Magonia-Folklore-Flying-Sauc...
That is evidence in the abstract sense and we currently lack the technology to observe these candidate planets in enough detail to test the models further.
We're like a person sitting in the desert at night with nothing but a candle concluding that the planet is completely deserted because they can't see anyone else.
If there's type II civilizations in our galaxy, we don't need to observe things in any more detail than we are now. If type III civilizations exist in other galaxies, we should be able to detect them as well.
QC is a meme.
This sounds superficially right, but unfortunately there are too infinitely many possibilities to assign more than 0 weight to them just because they're compatible with the data. It's the same fallacy as "the sun either will rise tomorrow, or it won't. Two possibilities mean a 50-50 chance."
A more practical approach will only assign weight to possibilities that might influence your decisions about what to do.
I completely disagree that it's wrong to not introduce them to modern technology. To do that it would require one of us to go visit them which would probably kill them because of our diseases. I would argue it's more wrong to kill them than to not give them access to modern technology.
Meanwhile, we do have the technology to contact them without giving them lethal diseases. It doesn't have to be like the Americas all over again. We can screen potential visitors for a wide range of pathogens, make them wear protective suits, vaccinate the local population, and treat them if they get ill nonetheless. The problem is that they want none of it, so any attempt to vaccinate or treat them will end up being forceful.
For example, similarity of physical form (with exaggerated evolutionary aspects relating to modern society, such as bigger eyes/brains, and diminished aspects that would be obsolete, such as weakened physical strength).
And in a universe where different systems could be billions of years different in age, the UFOs have always seemed closer to a few thousands of years off from current technology at best.
And yet there's zero evidence of even life, let alone advanced life, in our near proximity. Wouldn't it make more sense that the advanced species that's in near physical proximity to ourselves (i.e. humans) would be responsible for flying objects very similar to our own flying objects and supposedly operated by bipeds looking very similar to ourselves?
And the physical rules bring broken to enable time travel are roughly the same rules that would need to be broken for faster than light travel, so the scientific likelihood for time traveling UFOs is roughly the same as for extra-terrestrial UFOs, but the former makes a lot more sense in other regards than the latter.
I think this is something that doesn't get enough attention; in a universe like our's, almost all first contact events will consist of relativisticly expanding spheres of von Neumann machines impacting planets populated solely by nonsapient life. (Say three billion years before humans evolved versus a generous million years of human 'civilization' gives a three thousand to one ratio.) We should not expect to see anything remotely near our point in the developmental timeline.
(If "relativisticly expanding spheres of von Neumann machines" sounds unlikely, let me remind you that every star in the sky is a massive pile of valuable raw materials that has unfortunately caught fire and needs to be extinguished as soon as possible.)
You talk as if that's a certain fact. (Even estimating a probability) I'm no expert in the area, but why? Is that justified? What's that based on? (Not to mention the last sentence 'reminding me' of another odd 'fact'.)
There would (probably) also be a significant number of cases where two spheres run into each other, but it's debatable whether most of those count as first contact events (light speed lag versus "it's all the same civilization"). The main point was the enormous unlikelyhood of a nearby alien civilization being within a thousand years or so (out of multiple billion) of our developmental level.
The Fermi paradox is more a question of "Why hasn't anything eaten every star in the sky yet?".
Better to appear some distance out into space and then fly the last few hundred miles to earth.
Maybe time travel would stay in the same reference frame, so if you're on the Earth's surface you end up in the same position on the Earth. On the other hand if you're on an object that experiences non-gravitational directional changes in the span of your time travel, you might be in trouble.
Kind of like the difference between wormhole based FTL and warp drive based FTL. In one, you just teleport, in the other, you still travel in a continuous line.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIEwKrvepH8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKMTSDzU1Z4
Not to say that it applies to this particular case. Just goes to show that there is much to this natural world we don't understand yet.
At 1:50 in that first video, the 'light' occurs and then amazingly the electricity goes off.
What a coincidence that is.
Also coincidentally the 'light' has similar colour characteristics to the arc flash of a high voltage electrical line/transformer shorting out.
And coincidentally at 4:40 the same scenario repeats!
It would have repeated again in the first minute if they'd been closer to the electrical circuit that faulted out.
The rest of the videos appear as borderline CGI (floodlights washed out in truck area)or some video of clouds.
I haven't thought much about UFO sightings. I always find the ones with video, especially from arial sources interesting.
Once I moved out of the house, became a bit more secular, and did some research online about sleep paralysis, any rare episodes I had I knew weren't demons or anything of the sort.
This excuse died years ago. Cell phone cameras are on par with regular mainline digital cameras these days. Sometimes far superior.
Do we though?
People assume so, because it fits a paranoid narrative that allows them to "mind control" people, but I'm not aware of any actual proof that MK ULTRA or "programs very similar to it" continue to the present day. As far as I know the program was a failure, like experiments in remote viewing and attempts to surgically implant microphones into stray cats hoping they would wander next to the Soviets.
I read through that and it immediately reminded me of Miller's flying saucer theory from Repo-Man - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRJ5cCP0ZPE
Man A (ATC?): There's nothing showing on either primary or secondary
Woman A: Ok, it was moving so fast. [Inaudible]
Man A: Alongside you?
Woman A: Yes, it was rapidly [inaudible] bright light and then it just disappeared at a very high speed. I am still wondering. Didn't think it was likely collision course. Wondering what sort it could be.
Man B: Meteor or another object. Some kind of re-entry. Seem to be multiple objects following the same sort of trajectory. Very bright where we were
Woman B (ATC?): Ok, that's copy, so what's the direction it was going in.
Man B: Virgin 76 [inaudible] saw that NRS 11-o'clock position two bright lights.
Woman B: Roger that's copy, thank you.
Man C: So that wasn't just me?
Man B: No. Yeah, very interesting, that one.
Man B: Virgin 76. I saw two bright lights 11 o'clock. Seem to bank over to the right and then climb away. Speed at least Mach [inaudible]
Woman B: Okay, we're passing that on, thank you.
Man D (or is it Man A?): [inaudible] 94 Shannon.
Man D: Just to let you know that other aircrafts in the area have also reported the same thing. So we're going to have a look and see.
Man E: Speed was astronomical. It was like Mach 2.
Man D: Roger, OK. Thank you.
The relevant regime for astronomical entities is in above the 'high-hypersonic' and into 're-entry speeds' (uber-sonic?). These are above Mach 25.
At these speeds, not only is the air no-longer considered an ideal gas, nor a two-temperature ideal gas, nor a dissociated gas (O2 and N2 become O and N along the wings), nor an ionized gas (electron temperature must now be considered), but rather a radiation dominated gas. Modeling these radiation dominant gases is very hard. As you increase the number of volumes to model, the computation load grows exponentially.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Great_Daylight_Fireball
http://www.phys.ncku.edu.tw/~astrolab/mirrors/apod_e/image/0...
Angular speed across FoV is a function of distance from the object and the only thing that makes us understand that high altitude airplanes are nowhere close to a standstill is that we can infer distance from the intrinsic knowledge of the airplane size.
If all observers are close enough together we'd be unable to uncover the illusion, as that would require a widespread enough configuration.
Additionally, I question the "astronomical" attribute, especially with planes cruising at ~800kph, Mach 2 is at most 2.5 their typical speed. Concorde is hardly astronomical, and although jet fighters are not chasing for top speed anymore some of them are still able to go to such Mach factors. Now, Mach 12, that would be closing in to being astronomical (entering the order of magnitude of an ICBM descent speed).
I'm guessing only the final stage would still be airborne/in space once it orbited around to populated areas. And the second/final stage should be deliberately de-orbited for exactly this reason, right?
https://twitter.com/IrishAero/status/1061669444093730820
Direct link to the audio:
http://archive-server.liveatc.net/einn/EINN-High-Nov-09-2018...
Side note; including a screenshot of a tweet with out a link to it, is pretty lame.
What's always puzzled me about UFO sightings is the preponderance of "bright lights" being what people report seeing. If some extraterrestrial being came to visit, why make itself known? And in such an obviously unnatural way, too?
One immediate counterargument I can think of is that it's good camouflage. Who needs difficult shit like invisibility when we can just pound the earthlings' pupils with light so they can't see us well! Nevertheless, has always made the skeptic in me raise my eyebrows recursively.
Answer 1: selection bias. Obviously the only ones that people see at night are those which have lights. We aren't going to hear about the ones that people don't see because they're dark.
Answer 2: alien apathy. You've flown a million light years to spy on some great apes who aren't even sure you exist. Who cares if a few of them get flashed with bright lights, while you're looking around? They don't even have flying saucers yet, so it's not like they could chase you.
Personally, I grew out of bothering ant hills when I was about twelve. Nowadays, I pleasantly observe from high above. So why wouldn't aliens do the same?
In this case, your second theory fills in the gaps. But, one would assume some species capable of this technology would also have cultural norms about not interfering with less developed groups. Much the same way we (generally) try not to interfere with primitive tribes around the world.
I suppose, then, that the comparison could be made to the Sentinelese firing arrows at aircraft out of fear and suspicion. The aliens (in my opinion rightly) assume we would do the same to them because they are so foreign to us.
I would assume nothing of the sort. It's not as if humans even really conform to that norm. It's a pretty recent trend, at best. With aliens of unknown evolution/history, all bets are off.
For example, my hippie confidence does nothing to explain the likes of the Zerg or Tyranids, that's for sure. :)
We don't know that. We also don't know if the prime directive of aliens is the same as ours. By that I mean that whatever aliens may be visiting us may not be competitive whatsoever. Maybe their planet didn't have the same explosion with life that ours did so it's relatively empty of competition. In this case cooperating with others to expand as an instinct would be much more beneficial than competing. There is also no tangible evidence of the cosmos swarming with life, on planets or traveling so it might also be that -given how long it takes for planets to form stable orbits and how long it took on Earth for humans to appear and develop instruments to observe the universe- the universe is for the time being relatively empty of life. Some people revisited the drake equation and approached it as a coin flip: Sure there is a 50/50 chance but it's either/or, so based on their calculations the most likely scenario is for 0-2 times life forming on our galaxy. And FTL is still science fiction so it might be that the only species that can visit us are coming from other galaxies and have evolved to survive for billions of years. At the same time thanks to kepler we now know that planets with the characterists of earth are rather rare as are solar systems like ours. But there are a myriad of other planets with conditions too hard for humans but good enough for life found on Earth. In this case it might have been that some sort of life exists in the cosmos but it evolves much more slowly compared to us and thus needs a few extra billion years to reach space travel. So maybe the universe is experiencing it's first explosion of life and we are one of the first multi-cell organisms or step out of the water. Who knows.
Also we don't know how technology would have evolved should it be that Earth had a different composition. Like for example metals are fairly rare on the crust but yet they are fundamental to our function. Maybe a planet that has a 10% metal crust would have evolved towards electricity much faster than us. Or a planet with lower gravity and lower or no magnetosphere could mean that whatever species developed there could have achieved space travel much faster and easier thus increasing the incentive( in human terms) of developing ftl. Right now ftl is sci-fi for us but remember that yes, it was the military who developed the internet but all the applications and the development of the science behind it came once more people could toy with it.
Why wouldn't folks on space ships visiting a primitive planet-bound race not be 10,000 times worse about fucking with the locals for kicks?
Also, I do walk a lot! About 4 miles daily in fact. People in cars also happen to be assholes to each other. And to wildlife. Heck, they can even be assholes to others in the same vehicle!
Americans in cars aren't part of some elite professional military or scientific service. Most Americans have cars. It's the norm here. And being a driver of a car in no way guarantees they are well educated, sophisticated, civilized types. There are even people driving illegally, without a license or insurance or whatever. That's part of why they can be such dicks to people they perceive as less powerful -- because they don't feel particularly powerful, etc. themselves.
He understands me.
Simple: the aliens that mess with us are delinquent eleven year olds joyriding their parents' saucer
What if it's just the cosmic version of that?
Genuinely can't tell which one of us is applying Occam's Razor here...
Sorry. Couldn't resist adding one more speculative cherry to the top of this very tall tale.
I just read your reply and so I deleted mine which was similar, but a bit stronger; its not like we could possibly hurt them.
But beyond something crazy like that, yeah it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to be spewing light as an alien visitor.
I tend to think a species advanced enough to get here may find us similarly unimportant.
I'm not sure they would consider "us" unimportant. There's clearly some sort of "intelligence" with all of the radio energy emanating from this rock. If they sat back and observed for quite a bit of time, they would at some point be curious and want to study. Hence the probing. What's this hole for, let's find out. Plus, you'd want to dissect a couple of specimens to study it. After that, you start messing with the subject to see how it behaves/reacts.
Even in the fictional universe of Star Trek, most intelligent civilizations couldn't care less about the prime directive, and even the Federation disregards it when it's convenient.
There's no reason to assume that aliens in real life should necessarily conform to a modern human moral ideal about "non-interference with primitive cultures" just because they're intelligent.
2) secretly cultivate a pop cultural mythology around aliens and alien contact. Buzz around their aircraft and flash lights at them now and then just to keep them interested, but not too interested because you know how humans can get when they're too interested.
3) infiltrate human society with shapeshifting reptoids and own the rights to numerous sci-fi properties like Star Wars, Star Trek and Men in Black, to condition humans to be comfortable with the premise of alien contact and to build brand identity and loyalty.
4) build some Star Wars and Star Trek themed casinos out in deep space.
5) show up one day and offer to loan them a warp drive, but the warp drive just happens to always fail near a casino planet.
?) PROFIT.
My question, is why do they only buzz the trailer parks and the 'very highly educated folks'?
Do you try to hide your existence from ants? Or flowers?
Can cameras pick up cosmic radiation?
Playing the devils advocate. If the Zoo hypothesis is correct. They are probably thinking the same about us.
Like.
"We get so close to them, and they sometimes see us too. Just imagine how stupid they must be to not notice us or become aware of our presence."
>>One immediate counterargument I can think of is that it's good camouflage.
No one I know who ever went to Safari in Africa wore a camouflage. Why should they do it?
1. Reflections and other visual phenomenon 2. Space debris burning up on reentry (natural or unnatural)
> We need to get out shit together and stop feeling guilty about burning all the oil.
It’s the results that concern me.... anyway, this attitude is disgusting. A) there’s no reason our carbon output isn’t manageable and B) there’s no reason we can’t pursue the care of the earth and spreading the human population at the same time.
Although unlikely, I can envision a plausible pessimistic runaway scenario where we turn Earth into a Venus-like world due to sheer collective stupidity over a sufficiently large timescale. Maybe not completely sterile but having only some hardened bacteria survive is hardly a hopeful outcome for "life".
Fear is the mindkiller, and the powers that are instilling fear into our civilization have another agenda. Eyes open, no fear. Nature needs us to come together and protect the earth and sun from cosmic impacts, we need to act now. Nature can handle the co2, we need to handle the comets and asteroids that are the true threat to life on the planet and in this solar system.
For about a day my mind was nothing but paranoid thoughts. I had fear that I had seen something that I shouldn't have. That not only extraterrestrial life was real, but that they knew of my existence and would be coming for me. Or perhaps they were coming for all of us. I was a mess.
And sure, it was probably a drone. Or a plane. Or a shooting star, etc. But was it? I couldn't shake the thought that it wasn't.
It sounds hilariously silly now, but at the time it really screwed with my mental state.
Later on discovered someone had just released a bunch of sky lanterns, something I'd never seen before: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_lantern
It can be tricky to judge the distance, speed and size of objects in the sky.
Sky lanterns definitely look other worldly under the right conditions.
As for what this was? Honestly it sounds like people may have seen an air force drill of some military (possibly Russian or US.)
The NOSS satellites commonly can be seen in a double or triple configuration.
Here is an example image https://i.ytimg.com/vi/7XAxIsInxSM/maxresdefault.jpg
China also launched triple satellite configurations into an almost identical orbit.
Pretty scared, I kept watching the jumping light on the horizon. A few minutes later the white flash again. I ran back to my car.
I had the same ridiculous thoughts as you. "what if they know I saw?"
It freaked me out for a long time. The way the light was moving.... Too fast to see the movement even, it was here, then there. I watched it bounce around for at least a full half hour, it wasn't a satellite or a meteor.
Do you have any thoughts on the white flashes? They were the scary part. Everything was perfectly daytime for a split second, and there was no fading of the light like with lightning. It was immediately all white then immediately dark again. It creeps me out thinking about it.
The light on the horizon seemed 50 miles away, but the flash was right on us, extremely bright, and blanketed everything evenly.
While I was watching I started out in awe feeling like "holy crap, I'm looking at a UFO!" But after staring at it for a long time and then having the white flashes I quickly changed to "oh fuck, I'm near a UFO".
I was with someone, they were very scared, too.
About 25yrs ago as a teenager and utterly obsessed with the supernatural and the unexplained, my family were on a fly drive holiday on the west coast of the US.
One night in a roadside motel in the Nevada desert, I was woken up by a strange, loud, rythmic, droning sound outside. Absolutely convinced that it was a UFO landing and terrified that if I moved or made a noise I'd be abducted, I laid still, sweating with my heart racing for hours until the sun came up.
Turned out to be a dodgy air conditioning unit.
I was around 14 and also obsessed with aliens and the supernatural. I was living out in the boonies on a road that had just started to be developed (one long road with a smaller road splitting off down to a cul-de-sac with a few houses a mile or so off the main road).
I was walking the dog one evening, headed down the main road and turned off to walk down the side road to the cul-de-sac. It was dark and cold but as I turned down the side road, I could see a bright rectangular light floating above the ground down where the side road ended a mile away.
I was pretty freaked out and stood there squinting at it for a while, psyching myself up to go check it out. In the end, I decided that I would never forgive myself if I didn't go witness what was clearly an alien craft hovering over the road on my dark little street.
So, I walked down toward the end of the side road (with the dog to protect me of course) until about halfway down, I got one of those perspective shifts that made me laugh. In the dark (no street lights, only a few houses set a good way back from the road) I could only see the glowing light but as I got closer, I could clearly see that this was a small bus with the light from inside spilling out through the windshield.
It turns out, the local library had started a "Bookmobile" route out to our little country neighborhood so locals could check out books without driving into the city. The bus was so lit up inside and the surrounding area was so dark that from a mile away, all I could see was the bright glowing rectangle of the windshield.
Needless to say I stopped inside the bus and checked out a book or two. Probably some ridiculous fluff from Whitley Strieber or Stephen King ;)
I've been on a UFO binge lately, prompted by all the news about Oumuamua. So many credible and fascinating reports.
I've also seen less resistance to the idea of UFOs than there used to be. People claiming to have seen a UFO aren't outright dismissed as cuckoo anymore.
A more rational explanation is that the region is hotly contested by a number of world powers, and that was probably some experimental military aircraft
Since then, he's been often quoted as saying that there's such an abundance of proof that it's embarrassing. He has video and other testimonies from world leaders, and often sits down with heads of state advising them, and now has hundreds of testimonies from verifiable people in the military industrial complex testifying to the authenticity of their existence, as well as the massive deliberate misinformation systems put into place to control the UFO 'story'. [1]
I'd recommend watching his documentaries, Sirius and Unacknowledged [2][2b]
[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClhNHIEPCKE
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJVg1HBlWA4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShZMgbXNSBs
[2] http://siriusdisclosure.com/
[2b] Sirius: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C_-HLD21hA
edit: better links
There are also hundreds of government documents on his website, discussing various et issues.
Most of the testimonies talk about how there is a systemic coverup going on. What if they can provide proof, but due to high classification, it can't be provided, except to Congress? This was ultimately what the disclosure project was about in 2001. Most of the testimonies attest to that fact.
And the notion of some grand government conspiracy is just ludicrous on the face of it. No secret could be kept that long by so many people without some more reliable evidence leaking out.
Appeals to authority in terms of the respectability of various witnesses are meaningless. A more plausible explanation is that they simply misinterpreted what they experienced, possibly primed by the ubiquity of aliens and spacecraft in popular fiction going back almost a century. Look how many people have been wrongfully convicted of crimes based on sincere but faulty eyewitness testimony.
"we have 3500 cases where ET vehicles have landed and have left physical traces. We have 4000 cases where they have been tracked on radar and seen by pilots" ~ Unacknowledged doco.
> A more plausible explanation is that they simply misinterpreted what they experienced
If you watch 'Unacknowledged' you will see:
- multiple US Presidents hint at, or directly acknowledge their existence.
- Men who've walked on the moon, testifying.
- Top US government officials, air force pilots, etc, etc who've actually interacted with them, and and seen them stored in bases in the US.
- There was even a British Lord in there.
- Various government records (also available online).
> the notion of some grand government conspiracy is just ludicrous on the face of it
Yes it is, but doesn't mean it isn't happening. Apparently $100M dollars a day is spent on US military. $25B is unaccounted for each year. (The actual numbers may be out of date, but the scale of them is correct, from memory).
> No secret could be kept that long by so many people without some more reliable evidence leaking out.
This statement is directly addressed in 'Unacknowledged'
I'd go for sworn affidavits with independently verifiable credentials for things like this. Dr Greer has collected thousands of data points on this topic, however.
(Perhaps you haven't watched the 3rd link posted above, which is >1.5hr interview with a Richard Doty from OSI whose job it was to discredit/cover up/investigate all of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShZMgbXNSBs
Also, the news wouldn't get out anyway:
"So, every news agency, every television and radio station in the Albuquerque and Santa-Fe area had our snitches in there... we paid them good money" 1:24)
edit: added relevant quote from doco.
And for all these characters being interviewed, how do you know they aren't just payed actors? Has anyone followed their references? The way it looks to me it's all just a bunch of people with trumped up or vague relationships to US government, including Greer himself having "briefed" intelligence officials (which he later corrects as a talk during a dinner party, who knows whether that's true). Just a personal note as someone who's done a PhD: I've come to the conclusion that if someone introduces himself with "Dr. XYZ", it's probably a person trying to trump up their importance. I've come to get skeptical immediately when someone is doing that.
I'd still recommend watching Unacknowledged
Here's a YouTube example of a tail camera on takeoff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeBcZXjSfkE
I can imagine working from home with something like that on in the background and occasionally looking up to "see where we are now" - would give me some sense of travelling and seeing something new, rather than just feeling like I've been stuck at home coding in front of my laptop all day.
Official BR video library (not sure if it works from abroad: https://www.br.de/mediathek/sendung/space-night-av:584f4cc13...
I mean, maybe. I don't know. Could be. I've never talked to one.
It makes for safe and efficient transmissions. If there's a set way of saying something, then pilots don't have to guess what we mean if every controller says it in a different way.
Because this sounds an awful lot like an iridium flare. And they're a kind of persistent source of "inexplicable aircraft" reports because they're SO bright you assume they have to be close by.
Obviously, I don't know for sure. But I checked and there was one in the area with a pretty long duration depending on where you are.
It was perfectly still night in the UK. I outstretched my hand and finger and, I forget the details exactly, but the finger just about blocked out the pair of lights I think.
A quick call to my father in law (pilot) and some info on joining the landing pattern at Boscombe Down, added to the lack of red/green lights so not normally a craft expecting to interact with other traffic, and a little investigative intuition seeing as the lights were moving so slow as to almost be gliding - and I find the Zephyr high altitude long endurance surveillance aircraft.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/mod-buys-third-record-bre...
A bit of trigonometry showed with a wingspan of 35m (I think that was it) and the angle of my finger outstretched, put the craft at about the height it should be for following the standard approach path into Boscombe Down.
So with a little knowledge it was possibly to determine with a high degree of likelihood what this 'UFO' was.
I suspect that virtually all reports can be attributed to similar terrestrial origins with experimental aircraft and using the 'extra-terrestrial' card is just a convenient way of covering that up.
EDIT - I should add I saw it because it was I think the night SpaceX launched and landed a reusable rocket maybe for first time? Or perhaps it was reused rocket with reused dragon cargo capsule to ISS. The path I think was going to take it over the UK anyway, so I was out to see if it would be visible, having watched the launch a little earlier in the evening.
Note to Royal Air Force - don't land the slightly secret plane when many people is likely to be looking up!
https://www.businessinsider.com/air-force-f117-nighthawk-ste...
There's been a number of credible UFO sightings lately, some even by military pilots and captured on video.
If you consider how long it's been since there's been a major breakthrough publicized in the air superiority department, and how advanced technology in general has become since the days of the SR-71, we're long overdue for some next-level aircraft likely to be kept under wraps until required to win a conflict.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/nov/6/nasa-quiet-s...
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/270969/is-it- possible-to-noise-cancel-a-sonic-boom
[1]https://www.press.umich.edu/8373560/resonance_of_unseen_thin...
I suggest checking out "Flying Saucers: a Modern Myth of Things Seen in the Sky."
This one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlX-cEsnILc&feature=youtu.be
...isn't ball lightning, it's that weird ice crystal thing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ0laC2FksA
I'd love to see an actual ball lightning example if anyone has one though, it would be amazing to see!
Maybe they turn on the bright lights to pretend to be aliens, to throw off the scent.
It's what we would probably end up doing.
The reason why none of the incidents can see the thing clearly is that because when seen clearly its just another plane and nobody reports that.
>One of the aircraft also reported a temporary weapons systems failure while the crew was preparing to open fire.
These were explained away in the wikipedia article, but who knows the truth... Hidden away in another language.
> Multiple points of observation from reliable sources. Visual AND radar observation
> "Natural" sources ruled out
> Military equipment going out on three occasions
> American military investigators
> US military satellite saw an IR anomaly at the same time on its own
As he approached the location, the "fuel tanks" started moving in formation and flew upward at an impossible speed. They looked like fuel tank from above, but they were circular crafts.
Keep in mind, 5 objects of this size, moving at this speed would have displaced a lot or air, but there was no disruption, no noise.
There's some big hydro electric dams in this place and apparently these crafts are often seen hovering above the power lines.
> I heard of a case where a guy
seems maybe a bit too shallow. Not trying to be an asshole but I do wonder what's the credibility of this guy.