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Microsoft PDC 10 Live Stream

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As a Windows Azure customer who has been a bit frustrated lately, I am actually excited to see how much progress they have made.

It seems there are a huge number of features that are going to be released this year. Remote Desktop access is HUGE. Also the Role management system updates look great.

My faith in Azure has been renewed :)

Edit - Apparently I'm not allowed to be excited about a microsoft product?

Well let me just get this out there then. I love C#, ASP.Net MVC and Windows 7.

Happy you like. Ping me offline (sriramk [at] microsoft.com] if you'd like any help with anything. Apart from the features, I'm happy about the fact we got to talk about Pixar's Renderman on Azure. I was so excited when I first heard about it and couldn't wait to talk about it.

Requires Silverlight...

Why would someone trying to promote something prevent access by demanding a plugin install?

why does apple require quicktime to view their stream? why does adobe require flash to view the stream? because silverlight is a fast, simple install and it's made by microsoft.

I don't know. There is no Quicktime for Linux, but, still, Apple's sites open flawlessly most of the time.

If you don't have Silverlight installed or have no desire to install it, I hate to say it, but: this keynote probably isn't in your wheelhouse.

That not withstanding, the quality of Silverlight streaming video is actually quite good.

The problem is that non-Microsoft products can't watch this. So if Microsoft is interested in attracting Linux devs to see how cool their stuff is, they should show the video in a format that isn't restricted to their own platform.

I was under the impression that there was a Silverlight client for Linux.

There is, but requiring it to show a video stream is like requiring Java to show an animated GIF...

They probably realize that linux/osx devs will look at their stuff and laugh out loud at its lameness.

http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight

The few important Silverlight videos on the web like Netflix and MS videos don't work on Moonlight.

It works in OSX fine, though I get your point. Honestly though, I don't think Microsoft is too interested in attracting Linux devs.

In their shoes I would be desperate to do so.

Why? Linux devs have already chosen, and when compared to the potential Windows developer pool they are fairly insignificant in number, so why devote resources to changing their minds when you could devote resources to convincing current Windows users to stay with Windows?

Honestly, PDC isn't a show to win over Linux devs. It's really geared to developers using MS tools today. For example, there's virtually no, ".NET from 0 to 60" or "An introduction to ASP.NET MVC".

I think you underestimate the sophistication of non-Windows developers. I am pretty sure I can understand a talk on some specific aspects of ASP.NET MVC or the Windows 8 new shining filesystem. And I am not the smartest guy on this block.

That said, being it mostly video (I assume), there is very little reason not to show it through a standard video tag. Heck... Even TVs can handle that nowadays.

You can fake up a Silverlight host and then decode the bits. Not rocket science to just get the video.

And Moonlight can't play it.

Warning: link immediately launches Silverlight which may make your browser unresponsive as it did mine.

Flagged (since would have been polite to mention this in the topic).

Seriously? Flagged because your machine can't handle silverlight?

Perhaps everyone should also comment that a link to youtube uses Flash and it may also slow down your system.

Many people asides from myself use OS X.

The Mac version of Silverlight is known to be of far less quality than the Windows version, and Moonlight on Linux is known to be considerably worse than that.

Flash performs much better than Silverlight on both the aforementioned platforms.

However if Flash did have the same issues as Silverlight did, then yes I would expect a warning.

Edit: I stand corrected - apparently Moonlight can't even play the video at all. :^)

It says “Live Stream” right there in the title. What did you expect? This is one of those few cases where autoplay is entirely appropriate.

A live stream in a common web format, either Flash or HTML5.

Maybe they use Silverlight in order for it to work under IE6...

http://riastats.com lists Silverlight at 64% in the past 30 days, seems common enough for me. It's a Microsoft conference for Microsoft developers, seems reasonable to use a Microsoft video player.

If you believe the statistic, and I don't anyway, having something installed doesn't mean it works properly, ala the Mac and Linux users in this thread.

Text totally unreadable. Should've used justin, ustream or livestream :D

EDIT: 10 hour keynote?

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