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Social media has elevated misogyny to new levels of violence –Donna Zuckerberg

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20 pointsSmkyMt11 comments

Misogyny is not violence. Violence may be motivated by violence, but in itself it is not violence. She follow the disturbing trend to call words and speech "violence"

> “It is without doubt that social media has allowed this to happen,” she says of the toxic moment we’re in. “It has created the opportunity for men with anti-feminist ideas to broadcast their views to more people than ever before – and to spread conspiracy theories, lies and misinformation

Even if you believe what shes trying to explain, why is it unique for men? Radical feminists do the same thing, just reversed. Anyone with any hateful opinion can speak on the internet.

Where in her book or in the article did she "call words and speech 'violence'"?

Have you read the title?

> [...] elevated misogyny to new levels of violence

> Violence may be motivated by violence, but in itself it is not violence.

What does this mean? I tried to parse and only got a contradictory expression.

oh, typo! Violence may be motivated by misogyny, yada yada

Radical feminists do the same thing, just reversed.

I see this claim made by a lot of people, but never with any evidence.

Could you cite that radical feminism is misogyny reversed?

the opposite of misogyny is misandry

http://misandry.tripod.com/id6.html

A more serious take: https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/03/30/the-spawn-feminisms-...

Of course, esepcially the first link is definitely biased. But you find it all over if you look for it. #killallmen, #maletears etc on Twitter. You get the point.

> “...the Red Pill, which are men connected by common resentments against women, immigrants, people of colour,” she explains.

More like a common resentment toward people like her who classify anything and everything as misogynist and racist.

Nope, /r/TheRedPill (quarantined) is a shining example.

Highlights from https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/top/:

* Three ways to consciously manipulate women before they subconsciously manipulate you.

* 1000 migrants in Germany sexually assault, rob and rape women at one train station on New Year's eve. Feminists actively are trying to cover it up. (/r/cringeanarchy user)

* Now I am become Chad, the destroyer of pussy. (/r/milliondollarextreme user)

* HOW TO GET LAID LIKE A WARLORD: 37 Rules of Approaching Model-Tier Girls

*Feminism is not a shit test. Feminism is a macro level compliance test, and we're all failing it. (/r/jordanpeterson user)

...etc. I'm not sure how you could be the least bit familiar with Red Pill culture and argue in good faith that it isn't exactly what she describes.

I'm pretty immersed in communities and private circles that contain a lot of people who self identify using the term "red pill", and I think her characterization is reasonable. If 90% of "red pill" sentiment matches her definition, then that sentiment becomes representative, even if the 10% rejects it. It's an unfortunate but unavoidable part of human society. As for your characterization of her, it may be rooted in something rational for all I know about this woman, but you've expressed it in a spiteful, curt way.

Every woman I count as a friend has experienced some form of harassment or assault. Many don’t see it as a big deal and just how things are, but I would not tolerate it if it was directed at me. Likewise every friend with darker skin than mine has had to deal with racism.

Closest I’ve faced as an adult? One wolf whistle for having a pony tail, one instance of verbal bi-phobia, and that’s it.

I don’t know how improve reality, but I can’t bury my head in the sand about the need to do so.

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