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Comment by yakshaving_jgt | Hacker News Reader

Welp. There goes the last laptop Apple makes without a garbage keyboard.

I actually like the new keyboard... :( My fingers feel a lot less fatigued over time vs using a traditional mechanical keyboard. And even compared to the 2015 MBP, the newer keyboards feel more comfortable to relax my fingers on. While I never bothered doing a speed comparison between the two, I feel like I type slightly faster, albeit with slightly more mistakes. For example, reaching for the y key will occasionally cause my pinky to accidentally press the semi-colon key.

The keyboards seem to be very divisive. I know a lot of people who like them or don't mind them. I flat out cannot use them, and not for lack of trying.

I like the clickiness, and initial feel is very positive, but after a few minutes I find it really frustrating to type on them.

Mechanical keyboards should provide much less fatigue if you avoid "bottoming out", which is much easier to do when a key has lots of travel and a dampening force curve. Most people suffer fatigue from these very low travel Apple keyboards as fingers will come to an abrupt hard stop. It's almost like typing on a hard surface.

The Apple keyboards were designed to be thin at the expense of everything else, reliability, maintainence, longevity, and comfort.

I'm weirdly ashamed to say I don't hate the new keyboard...

I'm just not a keyboard connoisseur, it seems.

I guess the way it feels is subjective — and I certainly have strong opinions about that.

The two class action lawsuits against Apple for the butterfly switches however is some objective proof that something has gone terribly wrong.

Filing class action lawsuits is not proof of legitimacy, for example https://www.keytlaw.com/blog/2010/07/apple-sued-because-ipad...

That was for the previous Butterfly design, the new one (on the Air and now most Pros) purports to solve the problems.

As far as I know, there is no new design. They just now stick a plastic film under the keys to stop dust getting in and destroying your entire machine.

Does it work?

also no traditional USB and no MagSafe. My next laptop will be a non-Apple one. (luckily my McBook Air serves me well, recently extended its lifespan with new battery)

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