AI Startups in Montreal
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What used to be the "creative bohemian area" of the city has been heavily invested in by Ubisoft (first), and then by a slew of other tech startups. The same thing happens in every city: the artists and the small community shops are being forced out to make space for poke bowl restaurants and tiki bars when the spaceship lands.
As a result, the local framing has become "artists vs AI". Grassroot action will paint this influx as a bad thing. To be fair, this whole situation has been mismanaged for decades. By private stakeholders, by the borough's mayors. Montreal as a whole has been historically bad at using alternative scenes to rehabilitate part of itself, then undercutting support to these alternatives scenes & smaller communities... See Griffintown, St-Laurent/Mile-End, St-Henri
You could say exactly the same about the Old Street / Shoreditch area of London UK in the last 20 years. Hardly changing a word, except for "poke bowl" and "tiki bar" - that's just annual fashion.
He talks about personal compensation, taxes, subsidies & tax credits, insurance, visas, etc... and it's crazy.
Others might have different take of this... still fascinating to see how far your $ can go in Montreal VS NYC.
Montreal has evolved so much in the past 10-15 years it's incredible. The culture has opened a lot (it was always full of it, but before it was mostly internal culture), better food/coffees etc. Remove construction and winter, and it'd be really the perfect city.
I really like things like that evolving in Montreal, because despite being a great city, it doesn't have much great opportunities. You get stuck to a pretty low ceiling pretty easily (at least if you stay an employee).
Montreal's salaries are so low it's almost a disgrace. Yes the city is also cheaper, but it still doesn't compare. I made a quick analysis with a friend recently, comparing Montreal with SF. And even if you spend half your money in rent in SF, you'd still get out with more money, etc.
The government offers great deals on salaries to tech companies coming to Montreal, so I'd love to see some more regulations on those salaries and pushing to make them higher.
For a remote worker with a decent salary, going to Montreal is great tho. With the recent immigration issues with Trump, I've heard a lot of US-based workers moving to Vancouver or Toronto. I'd recommend greatly Montreal. You don't need to speak French.
> Yes the city is also cheaper, but it still doesn't compare.
I cannot highlight this enough.
I got offered $90k/year (base salary, no stock options, one bonus capped at 10%)
For a Senior Engineering position at a company with big infrastructure and capital.
If that's an offer for a Senior Engineer, I cannot imagine what a Junior is getting.
I still miss Montreal though.
This is considering that I speak French, have 10+ years of work experience doing software development. I even suggested my interest in an Engineering Manager position due to my experience leading teams in my two previous jobs. They only added $10k to the base salary and stopped there. They didn't seem to be interested to negotiate, they just sat in that offer for one week rejecting all my suggestions to increase my salary, until I decided to decline all together.
All this, after 6 engineering and hiring managers from that company came to my city to recruit Senior Engineers, interviewing around 30 people, selecting around 8 of us for a technical interview, then giving an offer to just 3 of us. I am not sure if the other two candidates accepted the offer. I hope not, this way they can learn a lesson and increase their salaries next time.
Here, mostly in the French community, wealth isn't well perceived at all and is kind of a taboo. For some reason if you earn considerable money, say 100k which is twice the average salary in QC, people immediately assume you are doing something illegal or unethical. You can't drive a big car without getting the mean eye. Especially if you are one of those "replacing people with machines."
Moreover, the language barrier blocked the French companies to see what's going on outside of QC. This definitely keeps the salaries down and now every HR department in town think it offers competitive conditions.
You also have to know that the Engineering title is protected in Quebec and that you can't call yourself an engineer in any field without a diploma that is approved by the OIQ (http://oiq.qc.ca/Pages/accueil.aspx?lang=en).
It makes no difference in the long run but software engineers can expect around 30k more than non-engineers when getting out of school.
My friends and I make good money while studying Software Engineering full time. We are top of our class, but we make around ~80K CAD working as developers in a big Canadian bank and all have offers ranging from 120K to 180K CAD for when we graduate.
My point is that there are good opportunities in Montreal but you definitely have to shop a lot.
I have a lot of friends in the tech industry in Montreal and this does not seem to be true at all.
You maybe top of your class but for recent graduates to earn that kind of money is unheard of.
I totally agree these salaries don’t represent the local startup scene or even the tech scene.
If you are not looking exclusively at Startups, there is plenty of companies, especially in finance, banking, actuary and insurance, that are looking for talent in AI/Data science and can offer excellent salaries in Montreal.
Working in a (very) corporate environment isn’t for everyone but Montreal is such a nice place, imho the trade off is absolutely worth it.
This is not a bad tradeoff -- consider 5x the rent and 4x the house price in SF, which is a less safe city with much worse suburb to city transit options, and only what, 2.5x the salary?
Montreal: - av salary: cad$70k -> $55k - av rent: cad$860 -> $656 - net: $47 128
SF: - av salary: $135k - av rent: $3.5k - net: $93 000
Taxes are very similar so let's keep them out.
Again obviously this is back of the napkin, and there are other factors, such as healthcare etc. but actually, unless you have a very specific situation (lots of kids, lots of health issues, etc) it still seems better to be in SF, COST WISE.
I'm not saying life is terrible in Montreal, I love Montreal :) But having done both, in the technologies sector, the difference is huge. If you work in another domain this is not true, but engineers are paid so much in the US, it's hard to beat.
Also out of pure patriotism we just have way too many Canadians leaving so they can make more money in the US... but there definitely is innovation here also (maybe even more innovation, just less capital) so people who don't need as much money but are anxious about their skills getting outdated can definitely stay in Montreal.
That's to expect when the average participant lives a single young male life in SV or a major urban city with a large tech presence and hasn't reached an age where buying homes, child care, commuting, retirement, etc. become actual issues.
At this point in my life I would not consider again working in the US though. There's a certain amount of "life" I need in my "work/life balance" and I'm not sure I can get it in a country where it costs two months' salary just to deliver your kid.
I live in Montreal, but work remotely for an American company. I am paid in USD what is twice the average for the same thing here. With all of our code running in datacenters nowadays, I can offer my services anywhere.
Local compagnies need to wake up and start competing in the global market or they will suffer from a new kind of brain drain.
The main language is French and it causes harm to the expansion of many businesses.
Partly true and bad: I think this bit is self-evident to this audience.
Partly false: the language wars have subsided in Montreal and rank and file tech workers can manage okay in English until they get around to learning French, even if the company has to deal with French by virtue of being here. The provincial politics are noise which can mostly be tuned out within the Montreal tech worker bubble.
Partly true and good: the friction that Quebec's language laws have created across the provincial border have allowed space for more "made in Quebec" companies that wouldn't have happened if Quebec let itself be treated as just another North American jurisdiction. It keeps the French/European cultural flair that makes it uniquely Quebec. Admittedly plenty of North American influence is still present.
Completely true and good: There is no price to be placed on something that core to cultural heritage i.e. language, that can be decided upon by someone who doesn't or hasn't historically participated in it.
The Quebecois will disagree with me on this, but I don't think you even need to speak French if you're working in tech - you might just have a smaller friend circle of Anglos.
Taxes however are crazy high and salaries are low compared to cities like Vancouver or Toronto.
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Hello from another techie in Montreal, recently arrived from NYC. :)
Native anglophone; non-native fluent speaker of French.
You can totally make it work in Montreal with your small circle of anglo friends. But almost anyone I've known over the years who tried to make it work like that is either quite bitter, or has left once raising a family comes into the question.
For good reason, just as in Germany or Poland, unless you learn French, you will be excluded from public culture, especially as you get older, and that largely means a lot of the great things of Montreal get watered down.
1. You need to speak French
2. Winter is brutal (forecast for next 10 days, and it's only October: https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/CAXX0301:1:CA)
I don't know for sure either way - I only arrived at the end of February, and last winter was unusually intense and long in both Montreal and the northeast US where I was just before.
Still, if it is just 4 months, that's pretty close to canonical season length!
They offer lots of coping mechanisms too like the underground city in the downtown core and good home heating, plus lots of outdoor and indoor activities to make the winter enjoyable.
Apart from the really short days in winter, the climate in Boston isn't too bad.
Opposite of the intended effect I guess.
Montreal is probably the only city in the province where you don't need to speak french though.
In fact, after some thought I'm not sure I recommend it.
Regarding pay, Montreal has a pretty low cost of living so wages aren't huge. If you are looking for Valley-style salaries then you are simply out of luck. But if you are looking for "paying well" in the Canadian/Montreal context then some of our older companies might fit the bill. Airy3D, Aerial, SportlogiQ and a few others have all raised Series A or beyond in funding so wages are fairly competitive. If you are looking for equity stakes instead then of course the younger ones might be a fit for you.
I build startups and teams in Vancouver and the valley, so here is my perspective on Montreal for what it's worth:
Great city to live in. French is a wonderful personal gain but not a professional necessity. Taxes aren't a big deal - especially with the tax holidays for foreign technologists - compared to the social benefits that you are getting. The winter is rough but survivable with the right clothing. The startup scene is growing in leaps and bounds. Super exciting to watch all the progress everywhere.
Overall, I would give it a shot :).
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