Comment by sonnyblarney | Hacker News Reader

Comment by sonnyblarney | Hacker News Reader

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I have some bad news for you: 'the grind' is most of life, and most of work, and if you don't get used to it, you don't have much of a future unless you can convince someone to pay you for your 'gifted talents' - and I can't even think of a single job wherein that is the case.

There are basically ZERO jobs that don't involve mostly grinding.

Even the most creative jobs - like author, painter, composer, athlete - do you realize they are just as much of a 'grind'? Authors wake up at 7 am, sit down and force themselves to bang out 1000 words a day - often if they don't, there's no book. Do you think it's enjoyable every day? No - it's work.

Bach wrote a piece for almost every day of his life. Quincy Jones spent all day every day for decades arranging and arranging music. You don't think he found that tedious quite often?

Professional composers will tell younger aspirational composers that they need to learn to work quickly and bang stuff out, or it's not going to work.

Do you think pro baseball players, who play a game every day for 3/4 of a year, for 20 years straight are 'in the zone' every day? Or maybe it's a grind for them as well?

That said, your lack of motivation might flip when you start working and you can see the material impact of what you call 'tedious work'.

Uni work assignments are not busywork, and I suggest strongly that if you're not doing most of the work, that you're not getting the most out of the experience. Those assignments help you internalize the knowledge in a better way than otherwise. And your professors may seem bored but hey, they have more interesting things to do like their own research. 'Teaching' is a secondary function of Profs. Many of them hate it.

If you are there simply to 'ascertain some knowledge' then maybe you should do an online U, or skip Uni and just read some texts. I'd advise against it.

Your perspective will change as you enter the workforce, have a career for some period, do a lot of hiring, and especially get exposed to Uni recruitment.

I would advise any University student (even my younger self) that if they enjoy the subject material at all, or if they have any affinity for it ... then 'that's as good as it gets' and to just do the work and move through it. You will get a lot out of it, and be a better person for it ... it may not seem like it right now, but it will with hindsight.

I feel like your reply is almost condescending, a "you will know this once you're old enough" kind of argument.

It's funny you mention teachers being bored because perhaps the problem is that teaching is done wrong, it's funny you also mention "maybe you should do an online U, or skip Uni and just read some texts", because that's exactly what I would do if wasn't so risky to trust that someone out there will take a chance hiring me without going through the systematic gatekeeping, with online Us there's an issue of finding reputable ones (at least georgia tech has an online MS program now, might give that a try at some point).

Here's the huge difference between grinding at work and grinding at school, at work you get paid for it, at school you are being made to grind because someone else thinks that's the best way for you to learn, it feels infantile, teachers should only be there to answer and clarify questions, and the material should all be written. Also there's a difference between grinding because you know it helps you develop the skills you need/desire, let alone money, and grinding because some jackass doesn't know how to teach and assess knowledge.

It's also not about being in the zone every day, people can be "in the zone" perhaps a few hours per day, being generous, there's a whole discussion to be had about productivity in knowledge workers in relation to hours spent working in a day, there's a point where more hours doesn't correlate with more productivity, but anyway, I guess if I'm going to sum up my reply shortly it'd be something like:

Not all work is equally exhausting, not all grinds are equally tedious, and not all grind is pointless tedium, busywork teaches obedience not knowledge.

I can recognize grinding is helpful, but I strongly believe university falls on the "extremely inefficient grind" end, and I feel entitled to criticizing it when it's supposed to be in service of the students.

"I feel like your reply is almost condescending, a "you will know this once you're old enough" kind of argument."

That's not condesending that's reality.

Accept the fact people with considerably more experience at 'adulthood' will have developed more knowledge from that experience.

"I strongly believe university falls on the "extremely inefficient grind""

You have no way of comparing it to any facet of life if you're a regular university student.

If you haven't even had a real career job, then haven't the exposure to lots of other schools, haven't hired from all over, from all classes and walks of life, from many countries and witnessed the difference. Then you're going to have a hard time judging.

" at school you are being made to grind because someone else thinks that's the best way for you to learn"

Maybe you've worked as a waiter? Or unloading trucks? That's 'mindless grind'.

Solving problems, reading books, researching and writing essays is almost never a waste of time. It's an exceptionally good way to learn, and 'not being paid for it' is irrelevant. For example, the only way to learn to write well, is by actually writing. English and Software! I'm ashamed to say I graduated Engineering woefully inarticulate ... because I didn't respect language and the Liberal Arts. I do now, and I regret not paying more attention. Many of my peers share my regrets.

"grinding because some jackass doesn't know how to teach and assess knowledge."

Profs aren't necessarily supposed to be great teachers, they are lecturers. It's your job to get something from it. If the prof is lecturing decent content, if it even makes sense, if the course work is rational, then he's doing at least his job.

If you're calling your profs 'jackasses' already now ... you're going to have a long, hard life ahead of you.

Consider that your profs are probably pretty smart, and fairly knowledgeable and that teaching a bunch of ungrateful teenagers is probably not that rewarding for them, as they try to do their research.

You could always just drop out and be an instant billionaire, right? Or you could put your head down, do the work, try to learn something, have some fun, make a thing or two get some decent grades and move on and be a better human being for it.

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