Ah, YC's one that got away - https://www.quora.com/Why-was-SendGrid-rejected-from-YCombin...
>Apparently, only one partner, Robert Morris, reviewed the SendGrid application, and he gave it a highly negative score, calling it a "spam company."
>Apparently, only one partner, Robert Morris, reviewed the SendGrid application, and he gave it a highly negative score, calling it a "spam company."
In contrasts perhaps they fall in love with deeply technical ideas that pleases the engineer inside them, but ultimately will fail to become a successful business.
Most of the spam that gets through my spam filter now comes from gmail (which is impossible to do anything about, as google doesn't give a fuck about abuse reports).
I receive about 1-3 spam at most in my old, well published, gmail account. And it's never in any of the sorted columns besides maybe "Promotion", which I rarely check.
I receive 5-20 spam messages a day from @gmail addresses. Not a huge number, but some days it jumps to 50-100. (These messages really did get routed through google, rather than being faked.)
This is a growing source of spam for me personally and services I've worked on that have public email addresses (eg. support@), especially if near a mailing address. (Other services scrap lists of "local" businesses and sell them to the end users of the spam services.) Blocking gmail smtp is a non-starter due to popularity, graylisting doesn't help, and I haven't been able to find anywhere they take spam reports; search results are overwhelmed by discussion of reporting spam as a user of GMail.
Also, there's a big difference between using a free product and working for a company that supports China/Saudi Arabia/etc. Or in YC's case, bringing billions of dollars worth of investment into a country that sends Muslims to concentration camps, and helping them build a dystopian surveillance state that will force everyone to spread their propaganda and fall in line; while being completely helpless as hundreds of millions of lives are destroyed..
That being said, I do try to avoid using products of unethical companies, and I would resign without a second's hesitation if I found out my company was involved with these evil governments.
Not really a big fan of China, but lets be a bit more consistent here.
China is in the middle of an empire-building enterprise and like every such enterprise, (UK, Russia, United States), does many awful things. Yet compared to some places in the Middle East, I don't think it's nearly as evil. Certainly not "the greatest evil the world is facing today", (the only way I can see that is if you think U.S. global supremacy is great).
Personally, I'd argue the greatest evil the world is facing today is people in power ignoring climate change.
> only China is capable of forcing almost every country and company into their submission
You must have missed the war in Yemen, as an example.
> there's a big difference between using a free product and working for a company that supports China/Saudi Arabia/etc.
How so? The products I mentioned are not free software for the most part, by using the product, (even their "free" plan), you're supporting the company China/Saudi Arabia invests in and thus supporting these governments economically.
> bringing billions of dollars worth of investment into a country that sends Muslims to concentration camps
As I said, that's really a case against empire building and a case I agree with, however it's been done by every empire. Similar things have happened at black sites in Iraq etc. so I think the consistent line to take is to be against investing in any empire in that case, which would include YC's home turf.
> I would resign without a second's hesitation if I found out my company was involved with these evil governments
That is a great stance, however the cynic in me thinks they probably already are in some way, even if you don't know it.
In a capitalist society (such as we live in, like it or not), we express value in money. IF your company isn't making money, is it adding value? If people aren't willing to pay for it, is it actually any use to them?
The notable example for this is Facebook. We don't pay for it. Advertisers do. That shows where the value is...
Things that are bad for you can still be valuable. I still willingly buy beer, even though I know it's bad for me.
Value isn't what you think it is, if you think that smoking provides no value.
Yes, but it's a very imperfect way to capture value.
Without legal support, it doesn't account for negative externalities - eg, if your factory saves money by dumping waste into a stream, making people sick (but you don't pay for that). Or your site gets visitors by sending spam, wasting the time of the recipients and everyone who works trying to filter spam (but you don't pay for that).
It doesn't account for things consumers don't have the foresight to care about, or don't have options to choose between. Eg companies that manufacture a fridge that will last 10 years and be unrepairable may make more profit than those who would make one that lasts 50 years and be repairable, because they'll sell more product. Planned obsolescence wastes resources, but is profitable.
It also doesn't account for the value of things like raising children. If I play for my own children for 2 hours, that's not part of GDP, but if I pay someone else to, it is.
And it doesn't account for the fact that people's desires and priorities are warped. Child pimps generate revenue, whereas the social workers rescuing kids from them do not.
Fair call, good stuff. I hope you manage to change the world to your liking.
Meanwhile, in a capitalist society (such as we live in, which you clearly don't like), we express value in money.
The game of capitalism requires referees. Otherwise, robbery is an excellent business model.
I'd like to demonstrate my point of view about money=value with a story, if you don't mind reading a bit:
When I was in my late 20's I was earning a lot of money working on a software project that was doomed to failure. Everyone on the project knew it was doomed, but it was politically infeasible for the current management to pull it or deal with the fact that it was going to fail. So every day, our little team of very expensive contractors wrote a bunch of code that we knew was never going to be tested, let alone run on real server. We all collected our pay and waited for the project to be canned.
During this time, I met a nurse randomly one night. We ended up walking around town talking. She had just got off shift at a local hospital, saving people's lives. She got paid about 10% of what I did. The ridiculousness of me getting paid 10x more than her, when I was producing nothing of any value, while she was saving lives, was stark, and it has always stuck with me. It seems like such an obvious mis-allocation of funds, a failure of the economy.
But in a larger sense, building the Internet (by which I mean our global networked computer-based infrastructure) is the thing that Humanity is engaged in at the moment. When they write the history of our time, it will be all about the Rise of the Internet. Creation of public health services, on the other hand, was the thing we did last century. So in that sense, it's easy to see why our profession is highly paid, even if the small-scale project we're working on right now is doomed. We are doing the most important thing on the planet right now, and everything else is merely background noise to that effort (at the moment, this will change).
All this is a long-winded way of saying that seeing emergent behaviour from inside the thing is much harder than seeing it from the outside. To us, this all looks like random bullshit and injustice. But zoomed-out, from a historical perspective, it makes more sense. Still not perfect, but at least coherent. The individual injustices and weird nonsense get smoothed out, and it looks like everyone had a plan all along.
If every company sought only money for money's sake and did nothing else, then they would all act like Oracle.
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Friendster
Are just some of the social sites whose founders were all spammers.
There are more but i forget some.