Sequoia Capital on startups and the economic downturn (2008)
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And then, on the other hand, there were a few folks who saw it as a massive opportunity, who fully expected things to recover even if it took a while, and – this is key – didn't radically change their approach to things.
Guess who did better?
The piece of advice that really stands out in this article is "have a safety net, ideally one year's worth of expenses." Advice that's good for any of us.
I have friends in the music industry, and there's been a few instances of people getting these really big advances. Then come the big, expensive sushi dinners, flashy parties, etc. It looks like the record company is picking up the check... but not really. The artist is on the hook.
I think there's a lesson there for startup founders too. If the fundamentals aren't there, it can be hidden by a lot of frothy cash floating around. That cash can be addictive, and people get used to a certain quality of life. Retaining control means knowing when to say no to taking on more than you actually need. If you let money people inflate your balloon further than it should go because they need a huge balloon to pass along to someone else, ask yourself whether it's really good for your company.
Isn't the lesson the opposite though? When easy funding is available, take on more funding than you need and then don't spend it, so that you have plenty of reserve when things get tight.
I remember having read that at one moment in late September 2008 the US Secretary of Treasury Hank Paulson had kneeled in front of a room of big-bank CEOs begging them to do I don’t remember exactly what (I’m on mobile, too lazy to look for the exact reference). Also, the money market rates had dropped bellow 0% for the first time in recorded modern capitalist memory, an event that lots of economists had said that it wouldn’t ever happen. These are the two main apocalyptic-like events that I remember back from those days, there were many others, and I’d say that we were pretty damn close to a very deep and ugly financial black hole. As such I don’t blame those people who took the safe way out back in those days, I mean, I’m sure there were also people who hang on to their investments back in 1930 or 1931 thinking that the worse was over but we don’t read any happy stories about them because most probably there were none.
Fair point – I was recalling the time after the 'crisis' and what we'd now call the bottom / beginning of the recovery. Probably early 2009.
Thanks, I’ll give it a shot. Yeah, those were some crazy times, I’m glad that we’re here writing about the winners, the alternative was much worse.
C'mon, you just had to wait a few years: https://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/26/your-money/stocks-and-bon... (note when that was published! Near the low point of the 2008 stock market; Mar 5 2009 was the low point for the Dow.)
Later edit: You can also make the case that the 1929 crash paved the way for an entire class of investors to be physically wiped out about 10 years later, I’m talking about how that economic crisis helped Hitler come to power and about the subsequent physical elimination of most of the European Jews. All I’m saying is that sometimes the apocalyptic estimations really do become true.
Most of the European Jews who were murdered were low- to middle-class. The so-called Yiddishland was largely composed of dirt-poor farmers, not investors.
Yeah, I know that, I'm particularly interested by the history of shepherd Jews that used to live in the region of Maramures (in present-day North-Western Romania), I think they were one of the only such Jewish communities in the whole of Europe. That's not that much written about them, apart from a few blog-posts like this one: https://frgheorghe.wordpress.com/strabunicul-meu-a-fost-evre... (in Romanian, but the photos are unique), but I find their way of living extraordinary nonetheless. Of course that they were all wiped out in 1944.
What is reasonably big? Any artist with half a brain would put that entire cheque into other investments.
He claimed that subprime defaults (no mention of housing bubble among the mass media at that point) were no big deal and wouldn't be much trouble to the economy. The real metric to watch was the direction of worker productivity.
Having witnessed the collective madness of the bubble that inflated relentlessly for well over ten years (zero-down mortgages almost by default, flip-o-mania, price appreciations far in excess of inflation, non-stop chatter about real estate the double-digit gains made in the last year), I was stunned. This guy didn't have a clue about what was right in front of his nose.
He wasn't alone.
A similar effect operates in the early phases of a bull market.
Take the years following 2001. Interest faded fast in building riches through day trading nasdaq shares. Silicon Valley looked more ridiculous by the day. Sock puppet commercials and online grocery delivery services became the butt of jokes. An entire business model (making money online) lay in ruins.
As the nasdaq clawed its way back, very few noticed.
Two points:
1. You'll know it's a bubble when only cranks are calling bubble.
2. You'll know its a new bull market when each advance is greeted with yawns, laughs, or eye-rolls.
It is a good time to invest but probably a bad time to leverage as interest is going higher. The right time to leverage was a few years ago. Interest was cheap back then. Remember buy low sell high? Looks like everyone was freaking out back then and waiting for the "recession".
We are being far from a heated global economy and given how globalized and inter-connected the world did get in the last 10 years, the world wide economy might affect the US more than its own.
No this it is not different this time. But probably the baseline of your "recession" and "bubble" got re-adjusted for the new realities.
The rich of these countries will need to flock somewhere. While you might think that the prices of the USA stock market is high, these guys will find the deal favorable to what they have in their own countries.
It is not only Turkey that seeing the correction. Many countries in North Africa, South America, SEA, Russia, South Africa are getting squeezed. You'll be surprised at how much money is looking to leave these countries and settle shop somewhere safe.
You just need a passport and a tourist visa to open a bank account in the US. Moving your business there is pretty straightforward if you have enough turnover and will to pay some taxes.
But how do you even begin to estimate the rate of this effect, or how much further it might go, or what asset classes it might affect? For example: this was likely a major force in the surge in Bitcoin value almost a year ago, but that asset has since collapsed; will a similar effect take place in other assets?
* Tax brackets haven't been adjusted in decades, so when people begin making modest amounts of money, say $50-100,000 per year, their taxes increase too fast and they don't feel wealthier. I would suggest keeping the bracket shapes but shifting them to the right by at least 2x to account for inflation. This amounts to a tax cut for the poor and keeping taxes roughly the same for the rich (the opposite of what's been done since 1980). Then we should (obviously) gradually raise taxes over 5-10 years to match the deficit.
* Interest rates are too low because politicians don't want to put the brakes on the economy. The flip side is that they have no way to press the accelerator when the economy tanks. The end result being exaggerated booms and busts, exactly as we have seen in 2000/2001 and 2008 (which means that we're overdue for a bust with current Fed interest rate policy).
* Corporations can be based in the US but act as foreign multinationals by hiding their taxes. Fixing this is trivial but depends on getting money out of politics. See: Citizens United, campaign finance reform and publicly funded elections.
The above are econ 101. My personal thoughts on this are that rents, houses and cars cost an order of magnitude too much for what they provide. We spend an order of magnitude too much on the military. We don't build enough or reward makers enough because the financial sector of the economy is twice as big as it used to be and we're obsessed with 40 hour weeks instead of progress or quality of life. I'm 41 and have never seen any of these things change in my lifetime, so am expecting a major downturn in the economy sometime in the next 2-5 years, followed by a series of knee-jerk populist reactions that ensure a repeat 10 years later (downturns are where the wealthy make more money, as they have the capital to buy up assets).
My gut feeling is telling me the next recession will be worse, because the only thing that can be done is print more money, which repeats the cycle (but since wages never go up, but asset prices do -- so worsens the problem of more inequality)
Easy debt means easy profits, which in turns means that it's better to play a financial game over building something sustainable. It's much easier to turn $10m into $20m in a reasonable amount of time, than it is to build a proper business and sell that for $10m.
2. The fed funds rate is low, but has been rising: https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/interest-rate.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Historical_Marginal_...
I'm having trouble understanding what it's saying though. All I see is that the top bracket was highest during WWI and WWII, approaching 90% on the wealthy, but is effectively zero since Reagan. The low rate's pretty flat and the high rate has gone down. And there are fewer brackets today (that might be why I perceived them as not having been updated).
One takeaway though is that the last time tax brackets were similar to today was from 1925-1931...
Also if you try clicking MAX on the second link, it seems that we've hit a floor on the fed funds rate, so maybe if it rises then it could move our economy back towards production instead of consumption by making capital more expensive. I might be reading my own gut feelings into that though so take it with a grain of salt.
2. We certainly have historically low rates. It's not the case that the Fed has refused to raise them--they've cautiously raised them. One contributing factor is that wages haven't been increasing, and inflation is very very low. The early 80s were an outlier in another way: Paul Volker shot interest rates incredibly high to deal with historically high inflation numbers. So the relevant comparison is arguably 4-10% (late 80s/90s/2000s) vs. 2.25% today.
3Q08, peak housing debt: $10 trillion.
2Q18, housing debt: $9.5 trillion.
That's with ten years of inflation, and housing being worth a lot more today than it was at the real estate bubble peak. Which is another way of saying, the US housing stock has dramatically more equity today than it did ten years ago.
In 3Q08 the median sale price of a house was $226,000. Today it's $309,000. People aren't very interested in selling or flipping, there's a dearth of inventory in most of the country, and people continue to build equity and pay down their mortgage debts.
Next, let's examine household debt service payments as a percentage of disposable income. An important sustainability metric for any normal household.
4Q07: 13.2%, the highest level on record. It was typically around 11% in the 1995-2000 economic boom. In the 1980s it peaked at 12% in 1987.
2Q18: 9.8%, the lowest level in the last 40 years. That is, the percentage of household disposable income going to debt service payments, is at a ~40 year low. By comparison, the lowest level in the 1990s, was right after the early 90s recession in 1993, at 10.3%. So US household debt service costs are hitting record lows, during a boom phase, which is extremely unusual (consumers are still quite skittish about debt thanks to the great recession).
Household debt to disposable income levels are at 16 year lows. Back to where it was in 2003. That rate has been relatively stable for the last four years, showing no signs of consumer household stress. The consumer comfort index by Bloomberg is indicating that consumers are as comfortable as they've been in two decades (several other consumer comfort surveys say the same thing).
Next let's look at mortgage delinquencies, a critical metric for housing sustainability and a key indicator of the last housing crash. From the Fed's 2Q18 report:
"Mortgage delinquencies continued to improve, with 1.1% of mortgage balances 90 or more days delinquent in 2018Q2."
That peaked at 5% in early 2010, roughly. That rate has been improving basically non-stop since 2010. It's not back to the 1990s lows, however it's back to the mid 1980s and early 2000s normal levels. Another year or two of improvement and it'll be back to properly healthy levels matching the mid 1990s.
Balances on home equity lines of credit (HELOC) have been declining for a decade. Consumers typically tap into that when they're in desperate condition, and the very low rates of the last ~8 years were a prime opportunity to do so.
Next let's look at credit cards, given how common they are among consumers and that they're one of the first things consumers begin defaulting on.
The percent of credit card balances 90+ days late, peaked in 2Q10, at around 13.7%. That's now at 7.9%. That has remained low and stable for the last four years, and is comparable to the rates seen 15-20 years ago before the housing bubble years (and is below the 2002-2005 years). Consumers are showing no sign of stress when it comes to credit cards.
Student loans are the worst debt stress point among consumers (those with student loans that is). The percentage of student loans 90+ days late, is at 10.9% today, it peaked at 11.7% and 11.8% in 2012/2013. That compares to ~6.5% to ~7.5% in the 2003-2006 years before the great recession. The rate has remained unchanged for six years, indicating it's still elevated and remains a serious problem, and isn't worsening.
I'm neither selling the doom scenario or not, but a lot of what you wrote has to be evaluated under the reality that the US has historically low interest rates, which are just finally starting to edge up. This despite full employment and a roaring economy. And despite all of that (those completely atypical rates being used to make long term commitments), mortgage delinquency remains higher than it was at the outset of the housing crash.
For a more recent warning, see https://medium.com/@jason/this-is-your-captain-speaking-im-t...
I expect my prize will be in the mail.
There's a lot of interesting investment lessons from the book, and it's the first time a crisis has been covered in real time.
https://www.amazon.com/When-Decades-Became-Days-Princeton-eb...
This is an honest question, I’m not tying to be critical.
I couldn’t figure it out from the amazon description.
The question is, is GDP growth always going to trend upward, or will it trend downward at some point in the future. If the former, the bull market (with some crashes) can continue. If the latter, then nope. The stock market isn't the economy, but it certainly is a distorted reflection of the economy.
Look at the factors of production:
* land: not building any more of it (except the Chinese in the South China Sea :) ). Unless space travel becomes economical, then there's a ton of "land" available in terms of satellite habitats, the moon, etc.
* labor: human population looking to peak in 2050 last I checked. Not sure how climate change will affect this (could be a strong negative in 100 years).
* capital: lots and lots of capital and more efficient ways for it to move around the world.
* energy: fracking + renewables have changed the game and the west is far more able to control their energy supply than in the past (see "The Absent Superpower")
* intangibles (ideas, patents, etc). Lots of room to run here. The internet + youtube + google has made the cost of distribution close to zero. This means that new ideas (both inane, like dance fads, and useful, like new ways to organize teams) can spread far more quickly than in the past. (see "Capitalism without Capital")
I'm voting yes, the bull market will continue indefinitely. I'm long the human race :) .
Reality is no one really knows, what will break the camel's back!