>...didn't want to ruin our vacation so I complied.
>It ruined the vacation for me...
So what was the lesson?
>It ruined the vacation for me...
So what was the lesson?
Are you looking for:
* Don't leave the country?
* Refuse and have the phone cracked anyway?
* Refuse letting go of the phone and get arrested?
Oh yea, I have no illusions about this, and I met more than a few people during my travels who deprioritize going to the US for tourism because of this, in the same way I'm discussing Canada here.
I didn't imagine that Canada was the _only_ country that did stuff like this, since I assumed we (and a couple other famous outliers like Israel) had similar stories. I was just wondering how common it was overall.
The more you travel, the more common it is.
The phone thing is somewhat new, ever since certain companies started selling devices to governments that let them crack, examine, and archive your phone.
But being hassled at the border has always been a risk. Before it was terrorism, it was drugs, or just the change in culture.
I've had problems getting into Japan because of my heart medication.
I've read that if you have stamps in your passport from certain Middle Eastern countries, you can't get into some other Middle Eastern countries.
I've also read quite extensively recently that it's become very difficult for Indians to get into Georgia. Entire families, and even planeloads of people have been turned away, if you believe what you read on TripAdvisor.
Right, I'm aware of this, and borders in general suck. I've had a fair few bizarre experiences at borders, some of them funny (like the Lebanese border guard who insisted on speaking Spanish to me) and some quite shitty (lookin at you, Israel). But to me, the above story is quite the outlier in terms of sheer hostility, from a country that I didn't think of as being particularly draconian at the border.
Normally you can get two/three passports for that reason.
Previously the Israelis stapled a piece of paper with a stamp on it, you take it out before you go to the GCC. Now its not even stapled. (They photograph your passport & stamp pages though...) https://www.touristisrael.com/the-israeli-passport-stamp/974...
Germany and I think most other EU countries with heavy industries absolutely do this, because it is necessary to do business in the middle east.
https://pointstobemade.boardingarea.com/2018/02/22/getting-a... https://www.passports.gov.au/using-your-passport/concurrent-... https://photos.state.gov/libraries/france/45994/pdf/second.p... https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F21517 https://www.rapidevisa.fr/actualites/174-comment-obtenir-off...
Learn something new on HN every day :-)
Two of them are British, as am I. I looked into the process, but then changed the focus of my work and didn't need to travel so intensely. Essentially, I would have sent in a normal passport renewal form, and attached a letter saying "I'm going to X countries in the last Y months, so need a second passport". "I'm going to X as well as Y" is an equally valid reason.
Or wipe your phone, restore backup from cloud on arrival.
I'd wager the agents could legitimately (for some deranged, modern usage of that word) require that you either surrender your phone anyway or restore it immediately so they can review what you're clearly planning on bringing into the country.
It's easy to come up with new stasi operation techniques if there are no civil liberties.