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SQL Server Management console, Visual Studio, Windows Phone 7, Silverlight.

Then there was Longhorn, which failed more due to internal politics than due to technical issues, as Midori later has proven just to be killed by management, as decribed by Joe Duffy postmortem reports.

WinRT/UAP/UWP are built on top of improved COM, and .NET has a native personality for them, using AOT compiler for WinRT/UAP (MDIL) and UWP (.NET Native).

Most of the new UWP stuff is written in .NET Native, with C++ taking care of the UWP runtime infrastructure, and the DirectX composition engine (Visual Layer).

The majority of Windows UI team UWP and FluentUI demos are usually done in .NET Native.

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Actually most of the “new” (last three years) UWP Windows 10 UI is C++, and there is more JavaScript/HTML than .NET Native. The Xbox dashboard is .NET Native though and all of us on the Windows UI team are jealous.

The problem that we have is that we have so much infrastructure around C++ that it is expensive to switch. Even if you get faster compile times or theoretically less memory management bugs, you may lose the productivity in other ways if the rest of your tooling isn’t there.

With C# you definitely pay a small cost in memory consumption and a decent cost in binary size vs. C++ though, which still matters.

That being the case, it appears to me that the old stand WinDev vs DevTools is still ongoing, despite all reorganizations that took place during the last couple of years.

Thanks for these examples. Do you know since when was SQL Server Management Console done in .NET? (to be fair the last one I used was around 2008)

Silverlight was more of a platform than an "internal product" and it was based on .NET so it was only natural (it doesn't seem to have taken off though)

And yes .NET makes COM usable (well it is usable using MS libraries in C/C++, otherwise, forget about it :) )

Since version 11.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL_Server_Management_Studio

Actually Visual Basic made COM usable :)

I would say Delphi did it better, until VB 6.0 that is, but then again I am biased. :)

Is the ':)' trolling? grin

IDispatch and variants were/are an abomination.

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