Did Thomas Kuhn Kill Truth? A review of Errol Morris's critique
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My recollection when reading Structure of Scientific Revolutions was that toward the very end of the book he gets into some more traditional philosophy in relation to incommensurability, which centers around the technical impossibility of comparing paradigms and drawing metaphysical conclusions from that. But for most of the book he speaks very practically about making comparisons and talks about various measures that can be used to evaluate the efficacy of competing paradigms (e.g. accuracy with which theoretical claims match experimental measures, and number of claims which can be verified experimentally).
The article talks about a frustration of Kuhn's where "... Kuhn felt his critics disagreed not with his actual views but with distortions of his views — with the views of a fictional Kuhn." That has certainly been my experience in coming across discussions of Kuhn after reading Structure of Scientific Revolutions: "huh? Did we read the same book?" Most all of what he says is pretty common sensical, practical, illuminating and informed by history—but it seems that folks aren't interested in that and would prefer to ignore 95% of the book and respond to his concluding philosophical synthesis (which I mostly dismissed as an insignificant somewhat egotistical decoration tacked on to the book).
This bit from the article neatly clarifies the whole issue, IMO:
> The issue here is not the denial of reality, but the denial of an absolutely preferred way of talking about it. Statements can be true or false, but not whole languages. As Kuhn puts it, “The ways of being-in-the-world which a lexicon provides are not candidates for true/false.”
Just refactoring existing code is not usually a significant enough change to qualify as a paradigm shift. A paradigm shift is more like a rewrite using a different, uh, paradigm - say, functional instead of object-oriented, or Big Data instead of relational.
I agree with the rest of your comment. I read SoSR in Philosophy of Science and have found it provides a very useful perspective. Although it's fun to contrast it with Feyerabend's "Against Method" to remind oneself of the range of viable perspectives here.
I think part of the reason that isn't so often brought up in typical software engineering blogs or whatever is that developers are not often in a situation conducive to it playing out that way. The only times I've seen it were when I was working with a very deep codebase, as opposed to wide--and it required me to keep the problem regularly in mind for weeks or months at a time before some insight emerged seemingly spontaneously.
Consider, however, that you are a computer scientist in 2012 that has been working in the field of image recognition using hand written algorthms for 20 years. You are the best in your field, highly respected. Your code has been refactored so many times that you think it is near perfect.
Then along comes a young PhD student named Alex, and presents a completely different way of doing image recognition. Instead of talking about "refactoring", the talks about "retraining" or "rewireing". Instead of talking about "software architecture" he talks about "network topology". While you are "unit testing", he is "regularizing". He is still refactoring and building software architecture, you say, but for him, those are less important.
6 years later, everyone has forgotten about your life's work, and Alex's one paper has been cited 25 000 times and triggered a multi-billion $/year field of study.
I think THIS is the on-going paradigm shift in computer science, and it has just started.
The example you cited to justify that claim is a difference in magnitude, not intrinsic structure. I brought up refactoring as an analogy to highlight the key features of another structure less familiar to software developers.
When there is a paradigm shift, there is typically an "old guard" that is not able to or willing to let go of the old way, and that gets left behind. This is why the saying goes: "Science advances one funeral at a time".
In most cases (at least in my experience), refactoring is done either by the same team of programmers creating the original version, or a new team with a similar outlook to the old team.
This means that there is not really an "old guard" to leave behind.
But maybe you meant some other type of refactoring?
> Then along comes a young PhD student named Alex, and presents a completely different way of doing image recognition. Instead of talking about "refactoring", the talks about "retraining" or "rewireing". Instead of talking about "software architecture" he talks about "network topology". While you are "unit testing", he is "regularizing". He is still refactoring and building software architecture, you say, but for him, those are less important.
Sounds like an intro to an unusually intellectual and a tad weird porn clip.
To start, there are two parts to Kuhn's ideas. First there is a historical analysis of the process of an old theory being replaced by a new one. Second Kuhn tries to come up with a metaphysical explanation of what is going on here.
The historical analysis seems sound. I say that because it fits my own understanding, because scientists in general think it is right, and because philosophers of science, most of whom initially rejected it, have over the years come to mostly support it.
Where Kuhn gets into trouble is his metaphysical explanation. He has a sort of dualistic view that leads to a type of anti-realism, though he can't quite admit it.
What he should have done instead, in my view, is to explain his historical findings with a metaphysics from one of the anti-foundationalist philosophies, such as Pragmatism, existential-phenomenology, or the later Wittgenstein. This sort of approach makes possible a realism that fits his historical studies.
Sometimes this is overblown. The canonical case of Relativity replacing Newtonian mechanics doesn't invalidate Newton. Rather, it makes Newton's theory a special case of GR that's still valid for most everyday calculations.
So the paradigm shifts aren't often as earth-shattering as they seem to outsiders or as Kuhn makes them out to be, because they often subsume and contain the prior theory. The way Morris characterizes Kuhn makes it seem like the different worlds of theory, before- and after- revolution, are orthogonal to each other - or can't even talk to each other at all, because they are using the same terms to describe totally different concepts. But I don't believe that to be true in the slightest.
That said, I must admit that I haven't read Kuhn so I would have to rely on Morris' interpretation of Kuhn - which seems, ahem, somewhat slanted.
It mostly does, once you account for the fact that science isn't about language.
Math is language. Science doesn't partake of that? Doesn't expand that language? C'mon man.
The post office is about parcels, but it uses addresses. Can't be helped.
Newtonian mechanics (and gravity) are a special-case approximation of relativistic theories. To me that's no biggie, but to some philosophers I've spoken to take the attitude that "approximately right is still wrong".
That sounds silly to me, but they have a point which might made better by emphasising the special-case nature of the approximation. Within Newtonian mechanics, there is no hint that it is a special case of something, it's validity seems to go on for ever. And it is that seeming which is not even approximately correct.
Well, those philosophers should stop expecting a world measured in terms of continuous variables to have a discrete causal topology.
But it absolutely destroyed Newton as a comprehensive scientific world view.
Newtonian philosophical fundamentals such as absolute universal time and absolute relative velocity are absolutely wrong - not just wrong for specific high-energy problems, but fundamentally incorrect conceptually, which makes them useless for the development of non-trivial future insight.
This is Kuhn's main point, and it's a shame so few people seem to understand it. A paradigm shift isn't just a new way of solving problems, it's a completely new conceptual map of reality, made of different entities connected by different relationships.
Anyway... I was actually really surprised at how ad-hoc the go-to example of "science-without-paradigm" seems to be, namely the study of electricity and the scientists of that era. All he seems to be doing is an absurd amount of cherry-picking and handwaving as to why these people were somehow "without a paradigm" whereas modern physics (or whatever) is somehow 'more paradigmatic'. Yes, there were a lot of weird ideas (fluids, etc.) about in those days for what electricity was, but that's just because the set of observations was very limited, thus expanding the space of hypotheses beyond what we consider reason these days[0]. I honestly don't understand how we can elevate that to a more 'noble' or 'pure'[1] way of doing science or reason.
I might be a little to drunk to comment, but I'll do it anyway. Sorry.
[0] ... but the thing is that we have a reason these days to consider many of those ideas crazy, namely observation that contradicts them.
[1] This is what all of the book so far seems to be doing to me: "Floundering about without a set goal is much better!". Nevermind the fact that you always have to form a hypothesis before you can even think of anything to observe to confirm/deny it.
EDIT: Just to say: Maybe I've been lied to in my general education on the ancients, but I'm really confused as to why we can't consider the Greeks to have had a "paradigm" (geometry, "perfection" in some sense) or the Egyptians who constructed the pyramids (I hear they were big on astronomy and astrology). Maybe I should just read further into the book.
That's pretty much what Kuhn means by pre-paradigm science: when scientists don't know enough about an area to have come up with general principles to guide their research. And Kuhn certainly doesn't think pre-paradigm science is better than science within a paradigm. He's primarily interested in trying to describe how science operates, rather than saying I way of doing science is better than another, but he's pretty clear that most of what scientists accomplish happens when they are working within paradigms.
Isn't this extremely post-hoc reasoning? If you're on the bleeding edge, you'll formulate theories based on whatever context you have -- and experiment with that. I don't see how the idea of a "paradigm" helps here. It's what everybody does all the time.
Maybe I'm just confused about the definition of "paradigm".
... which Kuhn does define, but it's a definition just fuzzy enough that it's pretty easy to argue either way on any given area of science.
EDIT: Basically, I think more of a fan of the David Deutsch school of knowledge.
Well, as the article points out, Kuhn himself never fully defined it. However, I think we can get a productive account out of reading it as "overhypothesis"[1].
[1] https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/b182/a0184613376d49dcec5f5a...
I doubt that journalists needed Kuhn to teach them how to mislead the public.
Isn't Kuhn rather about false/wrong not being applicable when comparing paradigms, and the controversy about Morris taking this a bit too general?
Edit: On a semiotic level, we may describe Kuhn's approach as being about homonymous signifiers, which belong to different world-views or frameworks, by which they are also defined, while Kripke refers to the special case of names, which serve as an identifier pointing to an atomic entity, which may be extended or even merge with another one, but essentially remains this particular object, which is in turn generalized by Morris to apply to all classes and types of signified objects (rather reminding of the concept of the "referred" than of the more modern concept of cultural entities). Notably, 'truth' is in the first case more an effect of structure and social consensus, in the latter case a matter of discernible properties which may be assessed as facts.
Nice to see a sympathetic account of Kuhn from a scientist. I've always felt that he wasn't worthy of admission to the Sokal Rogue's Gallery. (I sometimes wonder if I've been too quick to judge some of the other big names in that gallery)
Can you elaborate?
Later, Sokal and Bricmont published a book, Intellectual Impostures (Fashionable Nonsense in the US) about postmodern "intellectuals" abusing scientific terminology (eg Jacques Lacan, Julia Kristeva, Paul Virilio, Gilles Deleuze, Félix Guattari, Luce Irigaray, Bruno Latour, and Jean Baudrillard); that would be the rogue gallery presumably.
It's an entertaining book, and I think those writers are guilty as charged.
If you want to understand those scientific revolutions, don't read Kuhn; get a physics bachelor.
Read up on that if you're interested. It's much more significant than either Kordahl or Morris.
[1] https://principia-scientific.org/who-got-the-scientific-meth...
Morris must have spent years thinking, "I know my advisor's theory is wrong. I must come up with the next theory to replace it." That's what grad school teaches you to do. (I'm still doing it.)
When the prevailing theory denies the existence of universal truth, you can't attack the theory from within itself. You have to step outside it somehow. Is attacking Kuhn's temperament the plan? Did Morris sit down and say, there's no rational way to attack this theory, so I'm going to make this fallacious argument about Kuhn's character, presented in a compelling movie? Using post-truth tactics to defend objective truth?
Tangential, but the author’s description of Kuhn’s paradigms as describing things incommensurably differently (“claims that were true in the old way of talking might be false in the new way, and vice versa”) reminds me of the way Hofstadter summarises Gödel’s incompleteness thereoms in GEB. That is that no set of axioms can be both mathematically complete and consistent, so we may need multiple theories (paradigms?) to reason effectively and discover all truths.
Morris seems to claim (based on the author’s summary) that necessary a posteriori truths (ala Kripke) provide some sort of anchor across these paradigms that proves newer paradigms are better than older ones because (and I’m a little unsure on his argument) newer theories are still describing the same thing in different detail and we can therefore see that a newer paradigm is objectively richer and more truthful.
However, I wonder as Kuhn did whether this argument is strong enough to handle all scenarios. As Kuhn argued, a concept of Heat is substantially different across paradigms. I would add to the list those qualitative problems like consciousness and qualia that seem, at least at this stage, to require non-scientific paradigms (ala Lyotard) to reason meaningfully about, but in taking on these paradigms we lose the ability, as Kuhn argued, to talk meaningfully about things we could previously.
> In Kuhn’s view, reality is out there, but it doesn’t speak our language. It remains forever alien, non-linguistic, regardless of how well we seem to describe its various parts.
"Reality is indescribable" becomes a bit of a liar's paradox. Why should anyone think the sentence is an accurate description of the world, if accurate descriptions of the world are in fact out of reach?
Of course, it's possible this essay is a sometimes insightful and sometimes poor critique of a separate critique, that in turn is sometimes insightful and sometimes poor, and in turn comments on a treatise that wavers between obvious and overgeneralized depictions of scientific discovery.
Nobody's perfect.
There is a difference between an imperfect description and a lie. Kuhn does not say that all descriptions of the world are lies, or that "anything goes", although he have sometimes been misunderstood as saying that.
I just meant it's a paradox of self reference. The liar's paradox is the most famous, but the set of all sets that do not contain themselves is another.
So it's true the Kuhnian proposition is much closer to "Every claim about reality is (somewhat) inaccurate." But we still have a massive issue.
Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/self-reference/
Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Self-referential_pa...
It was not super obvious from the article itself online that this article is a book review.
I thought the author was actually himself proposing some specific theory about truth (or science) (or whatever) and was getting really really frustrated wading through all the storytelling trying to find the specific theory that was being advanced.
Finally I realized it was a book review and that extra piece of context helped give the article (which is fun to read) some semantic meaning.
(I guess I take a different and much more naive view of the history of science and related fields, which is that (a) people are pretty smart, (b) people mostly make the best scientific decisions they can with the best info and ideas they have at the time, (c) a useful way to think about the history of science involves trying to reason about what people were thinking at the time and what was normal for them. Having read this book review I genuinely can't tell whether that's a Kuhnian or a Kripkean or a Morrisean Kripkean view or whatever.)
This affects the language used to describe the problem and the solution. For example you still 'call' an Uber, but you actually don't call it anymore, you click on your phone screen to order it. So when a cab company and Uber talk about 'calling', they might have trouble agreeing what 'calling' really means (e.g., in Uber it already entails agreeing on a price, with a cab it doesn't). This is how I understand what Kuhn means with 'incommensurability'.
As the article points out too, it is not two completely separate languages. Rather, the shift in the underlying model also shifts the language, so that supporters of one model mean different things than supporters of the other model, when they make a statement.
How do you tell the difference between earnest thinking and flip flopping, "a sudden real or apparent change of policy or opinion by a public official, sometimes while trying to claim that both positions are consistent with each other... during the period prior to or following an election in order to maximize... popularity?"
Could we at least concede that when somebody says something that makes your bullshit detector go off, and then they change what they're saying, your detector isn't broken?
The second kind is far more common. But the first kind is really important. When someone updates their views we should pay attention. Perhaps a member of the rationalist community could prove this using Bayes theorem.
When you revise your software, is it usually because the earlier versions were bullshit? Anyone who isn't constantly revising their ideas either isn't trying or is bullshitting.
There's a mature science, where knowledge is limited but accurate, where new findings cause a recontextualization but no paradigm shift, and the previous knowledge is preserved within its new context,, and immature science, where people are doing things wrong, reaching conclusions with inadequate evidence, and stuff gets thrown out during a "paradigm shift", i.e. when they start doing mature science.
Examples of mature science are physics with the incorporation of relativity and quantum physics, which preserved Newtonian physics, or biology, where the human genome project revealed that there were 1/3 as many genes in humans as was previously thought, at which the field barely batted an eye and shifted in a heartbeat to looking more at gene regulation. Clearly, these are huge changes in the fields, but they don't rise to the level of a Kuhnian "paradigm shift" since the old knowledge and vocab and understandings were preserved.
What's an immature science? Probably the social sciences, or those areas of other fields where there's reproducibility problems, p-hacking, and other dysfunctions. To the extent that these fields have overarching paradigms, they may suffer a "paradigm shift". But in mature science, there just aren't any paradigm shifts, in the Kuhnian sense, happening, because a mature science has sufficient evidence in hand before generating a "paradigm".
Kuhn was wrong. But "Paradigm Shift" is a flashy phrase and it captured the zeitgeist of the time it was written. At this point, anything that helps tame this pop-philosophy-of-science phenomenon is not unwelcome, especially because, yes, Kuhn's writings are supporting anti-realist postmodernist trash, without being especially misread.
On that note, can physics be called a "mature science," then? To reconcile relativistic and quantum physics—both of which provide limited but very accurate and useful results—would be a paradigm shift; it would require the revision of large parts of one or both theories to be able to combine them without contradiction.
There are core ideas in each of these theories which are not simply revisable: they are connected with too many others. Peripheral ideas are malleable; the precise number of genes isn't very important if we can still explain protein variety (via alternative splicing and other modifications).