To cut a long story short we successfully registered the company, got a geologist to confirm there was indeed coal and got a mining license from the government. We then signed a contract with a sub contractor to come and mine. When the share certificates came instead of owing 5% I ownwed 0.00086% of the mine. Yes there were 3 zeros before the 86. Our elder the uncle we had sent to do the paperwork basically screwed all of us, including the uncle who originally came up with the idea.
Lessions 1. Never use your cultural beliefs in business. Stick to contracts. 2. Don't just trust family.
Didn't you sign after reading? I dont know how it works there but generally one has to get all signatures for approval.
In the US, I cannot transfer land to you with a handshake. I can't sell you most goods valued over $500 with a handshake. I can't assume your debt to another party with a handshake.
Always ask a lawyer.
Not in the US in many cases. Take the Uniform Commercial Code, for example, which requires a written contract for the sale of goods over $500, or agreements creating a security interest.
See https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/when-is-written-cont... for a decent overview.
But I believe in the UK it is only transfers of land that require a written contract. However you might want to think about how you would prove a handshake to a court
You need to be there in person to keep an eye on everything, or possibly complain to government relgulators / go to court if need be. If it's all remote and it's not practical to do this stuff in person, you are asking to be taken advantage of.
That, at least, is the theory. There are of course many, many steps between a theoretical case and successful claim. And it's certainly easier to win a case if you have a written contract as evidence --- though 20 people's testimony is pretty strong evidence, too.
I am not (quite) a lawyer, and certainly not in your country. But it doesn't sound like you did anything wrong: it sounds like fraud.
It is fraud. Some of the family members wanted us to get the others arrested but this isn't so easy when you are family. It literally ends up with you getting your cousin's dad arrested, the same cousin you grew up playing soccer with. We collected money for a lawyer to sort it out but that dragged on and on.
I now have first had experience of the saying that "the love of money is the root of all evil". None of us had quit our jobs so we moved on. I hold no grudge, just took the lessons.
I grew up in the Southeastern US. Here, getting your cousin's dad arrested is a Tuesday. ;)
In all seriousness, sorry you had to go through this, and glad you took away good lessons. On the other side of the coin, never feel guilty about getting what's owed to you.
You're the only one you can trust to have your interests at heart.
Have you made explicit the share you will end up with or you just assumed that all of you would get 100% / 20 people, i.e. equal share? It sounds that your uncle worked a lot more (from the moment he looked for partners and invited them into the venture till the end of the paperwork and beginning of the operations). I concede though that your share was way too small. If the rest of the partners (18, without you and your uncle) received the same share, your uncle gave you all only a little over 0.015% which is just below any justification I can imagine.
On a side note, this made me realise why there is so much conflict in some mineral rich areas in Africa. Honestly if we weren't peaceful people there could have been serious conflict.
Care to elaborate?
[1]https://mg.co.za/article/2014-01-30-bitter-fight-for-diamond...
One theory being that, essentially, legal controls and enforcement are expanded with economic activity. But a sudden surge in resources (e.g. discovery or exploitation) exceeds the existing system's ability to control corruption, and it's very hard to steer a cash-rich system back to good governance after this happens.
https://theconversation.com/citrus-fruits-scurvy-and-the-ori...
There is an argument against aid to developing countries for similar reasons.
Reminder what happened to Joseph in his life [0].
Nothing happening now, I guess we tired from fighting.
That your uncle would choose very deliberately to alienate his entire family is the astonishing thing. Would be curious to know what his social life is like, now ...
So, yes, the farther away in the social network, the weaker the social pressure. If the link is mere nominal membership in the same faith, that may be worse than no link at all. Most of Madoff's victims were Jews -- because they were inclined to give him the benefit of any doubts.
>If the link is mere nominal membership in the same faith, that may be worse than no link at all
So which is it?
We still meet at extended family gatherings. Funerals, weddings but no one stops by to visit him and his immediate family. Which I gather is fine with them because they have renovated their house and bought themselves a new set of wheels.
The lesson is never trust the size of a company as sufficient reasoning that they can and will pay their bills.
- Their own 'highly matrixed' organizational structure makes it near impossible to find 'the correct person' to talk to about accounting issues, let alone get a straight answer out of them - so chasing these issues down becomes a huge drag on your time and energy and you may very well just give up after a while
- Past-due invoices are typically penalized with tiny interest percentages [in the <2% range], so even if they do intend to pay eventually, they can gleefully treat you as a bank with really low interest on short-term loans.
- They know full well that you, the small company, probably aren't willing to put up the massive time and dollar resources in order to sue them, the big company, for what is to them small potatoes. They have a bench full of experienced attorneys, you might have a single one, and they know exactly how to extend and complicate a legal process such that the litigation itself costs you far more than the outstanding AR.
Over the last 15 years or so, a lot of my best customers have been super-late payers. You take the good with the bad.
I have tackled this issue (late payers) in two ways:
1. My cashflow from other investments ensure I did not run out of money. This is a bad design where I am effectively extending a 0% APR loan to the client with a term of their choosing
2. When I have ARs large enough to entice "parties that handle payments", I choose to let them handle the invoices on my behalf for a cut. A pretty large cut but 80% is better than 0%.
I am effectively looking for a way to optimize the later but happy to hear alternative solutions, specially when the ARs are not large enough to outsource.
For a bootstrapped business, this cashflow can be critical.
The big boys are not even going to consider me unless I am a safe choice (they really don't care if I am a kickass programmer who can solve their problems - they want to do business only if I am a known quantity so that they don't get fired if a deal with me go sideways).
I am really lucky to have positive cashflow because I can be picky about clients but a lot of friends ask me how to get started and my experience with cashflow is that a fantastic business with client set A can absolutely fail compared to the exact same business with client set B just because of cashflow issues.
Maybe I am too old and jaded but now I always ask people to include and test for cashflow in addition to the efficacy of their business ideas vis. market fit.
Honestly though, this becomes too demanding of entrepreneurs who are already overworked with lead gen, product design and development as is.
You should definitely write a few articles about cashflow. People don't write about it enough.
Too many startups riding high on how much revenue they bring in without controlling the costs. If you spend to get revenue, it really isn’t a business (or at least a solid one anyway)
I size the prices with the retainers. Bigger the retainer, higher their priority and less the per project prices.
Has this been your experience as well?
... and do you "outsource" your AR for a % of your invoices?
You can try setting late payment penalties, but my experience has been that client procurement and legal people get those stripped off routinely.
At Matasano, I remember one of our anchor customers taking something close to a year to pay an invoice.
That at best. others just "forget" about the late payment penalties in my experience.
The sibling comment from @mrhappyunhappy is interesting but when I tried it, clients would rarely pay the premium.
I tried both methods and clients would rarely pay the premium compared to those who would avail of the "on time" payment discount.
I have less happier clients when I make them pay a fee than when I take away a discount although mathematically they are the same number.
Note that I’m not referring to charging interest for late payment as being illegal. I’m specifically referring to charging 10% compounded weekly, which comes out about 14200% annualized.
But like you, I'm pretty skeptical. Probably wouldn't hold up in court.
A sensible business would settle out of court with a very low offer. A sensible contractor would accept the offer.
But generally this is another example of corporate privilege.
In reality, late payments kill many small businesses. In a political system that was genuinely friendly to the small guy, fines for late payment would be mandatory.
I personally have helped out a few businesses with a 2% CB CC (which helps offset the Plastiq fees) that offers a 6-mo 0% APR term but the CL is the limit of the loan which limits the extent of the loan.
Most CCs don't have such gracious terms in which case you could be paying a hefty fee to gain that cashflow.
Having done this a few times, my conclusion is that this is a very bad practise and exposes a business with cashflow issues if this is a regular occurence.
A healthy AR is better than no AR but you know what's even better?
A healthy cashflow.
I have excellent clients who could not afford to pay for a consultation because they themselves were waiting on the client they were farming out jobs from.
They still work with me because they know I understand their cashflow issues.
We once were jerked around by a reasonably well known customer. Their accounting people decided they did not need to perform under the payment terms the customer signed off on. First time they did it, I sent an email to the EVP that signed the order. We got an apology and a payment. The next month the same thing happened again - we redirected all their traffic to "We are unable to process your request - please contact your account coordinator to restore access" message and did not remove it until the wire hit our account ( 5pm-8:02am ). We received a letter with apologies from the customer's CEO, customer was saved and they never missed a payment again. I heard, via the grapevine, that three people at the customer's AP group were shown the door as the result of our message.
Having said that I mostly don't offer credit terms anymore, my average order value is about £500 which means it isn't worth the time spent chasing late payments. In 99% of cases the customer will find a way of paying upfront.
Exactly. On MBA finance courses (and I guess CPAs too) you're taught about working capital - and one half of that is basically stretching supplier payments as far as you can.
If they are well known enough surely a well placed social media post is all that's needed to oil the wheels.
That 2% is usually monthly, so the APR is more like CC debt, not bank loans.
And because you sell your invoices, the factor now takes the payment default risk.
Does cost a penny though.
I’m curious if your experience in this case was similar.
This is a classic cash flow problem in business. Any very simple (usually free) “start a business” course from local government in the UK will cover this. I went on such a course and they explicitly talked, in detail, about this issue. They flagged it as a major cause of business failure.
Point being not to criticise the parent but to emphasise that startups are not different from any other businesses when it comes the basics like cash flow. Something that really stands out in the startup world is how little regard is given to the simple everyday business issues that business advisors the world over teach about every day. Anyone starting a tech business should do a simple course on business basics, in this example it could literally have saved the startup for an investment of a few hours.
AP: Accounts Payable (money you owe)
APR: Annual percentage rate (usually converted from a different timeframe so you have a consistent timeframe to compare with other metrics)
Retainer: A fee that you pay to get priority from a consultant, which may or may not come with services included.
Cash Flow: the balancing of AP and AR so that you can stay afloat.
Say your startup needs $10k a week to meet payroll. You have $20k in the bank and Accounts Receivable of $100k. "On paper" you have $120k. Cash flow wise you have 2 weeks of money left on hand.
This situation is in constant tension as:
- Large companies stall regularly on paying or require terms like "Net60", aka you complete the work, then send them an invoice, then they can take 60 days to pay that.
- Public companies have to report their financials and will often manipulate their AP schedules to help "massage" their numbers. I was once told bluntly: "our CFO said we aren't paying any more invoices this quarter"
- The reason large companies do this is they are also trying to balance their cash flow (just at a larger scale).
The two general things to do to help with this situation:
1. Keep invoicing tight, bill as often and in as small as increments as possible. Better to ask for $20k every 2 weeks than $40k at the end of the month.
2. Offer discount terms where they pay less if they pay earlier.
Great article on this topic by Tomasz Tunguz of Redpoint Capital: http://tomtunguz.com/timing-sales-cashflows/
Even more surprising is that it happens pretty frequently.
Companies (small to medium) aren't some machine with automatic parts; it's just people, and sometimes people don't pay their bills.
Even though I did all the software, I had only around an 8% stake in the company at the time.
The person in question decided we needed to “perfect” our product before taking it to market. She had us working 12 additional months and since we did not have “enough tests over the new features yet” she cancelled the 550 orders and gave the contracts to one of our competitors. At that moment I and the 2 electrical engineers in the team left the company and they ran out of money and close 6 month later.
Lesson learned: Big-corp CEOs don’t make for good startup CEOs 99% of the time.
Possible lesson: Don't piss off the staff in an early stage startup.
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While this may be true, I don't believe it is fair to reach this conclusion on the basis of a single experience.
Large companies are optimized for a different set of outcomes - usually including extreme concern about quality and public image. That doesn't fly in a startup.
Reminds me of kozmo.com at the end, when they started hiring "experienced" executives from traditional logistics companies.
Best way to take out a competitor is from within?
From my experience hardware is hard all around and finding partners, even no traditional ones like we did on that occasion can help a lot.
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"99% of the time" almost never literally means 99% of the time. C'mon, don't be that guy.
Yes, no one likes smugness... I'm not the GP if you hadn't noticed, but honestly; don't be that guy.
After that company died I joined a real robotics startup with some seriously talented founders. They had already built out several robots and had the core skills (mechanical engineering, software engineering, electrical eng, and controls) to design and build a working robot. More importantly though they knew the process to make a robot real which involves personal contacts at custom component suppliers, the right outfit to do engineering review, how to raise enough money to get the kind of runway hardware needs. And on and on.
Moral of the story, you can't fake hardware. Get experienced people on board from day one or your going to flounder and most likely die.
Why is bottled water a billion dollar business in the U.S. when the U.S. has the safest drinking water in the world? I am very sure it's not the product.
If you can't sell, define your vision and prototype and find someone to sell them for you. Salespeople are viewed as BS'ers by engineers but without them, companies can never succeed.
Can't see it in any of the top 10 (or 20) via google....
But let's say it is the worst in the world. Bottled water is not the best way to fix the problem. A water filter would be much better in terms of cost per gallon and quality.
Just by you asking the question, highlights how well sales and marketing have worked when it comes to bottled water.
All that means is “it’s very safe”. To call it “the safest in the world” is just blind patriotism. There might be long-term health effects caused by but difficult to attribute to water that are more prevalent in the US than other countries, for all we know.
> Just by you asking the question, highlights how well sales and marketing have worked when it comes to bottled water.
I’m not the person who asked, but no it doesn’t! All it highlights is how hyperbolic your statement was. It wasn’t an argument for or against bottled water at all.
The product of bottled water is availability - being able to purchase anywhere and to bring it with you.
But we were just too early. The robot didn't even need to be very autonomous, shared autonomy was part of the plan (fake it till you make it and honest about it :-) ). I controlled the robot from the other side of the (small) country to give people their teddy bears and TV remotes etc.
Problem was that we tried to do our hardware completely by ourselves, whereas nowadays there are several options for mobile manipulator robots that look good enough to put in a home. We spent more time getting the robot to work than on useful applications (we had dozens of activities of daily live a robot could support). And even the getting our robot to work could be done more efficiency (in hindsight). We should have used e.g. an EtherCAT motor controller instead of writing of doing it all ourselves on a micro-controller.
We didn't progress enough quickly enough for our investors and subsidizers and ran out of money.
A another great lesson was this though: when you hear talk about robots in care, the complaint I get a lot is that that is sad for the clients, because they don't get someone to talk to (but a robot) and they will get lonely. That turns out not entirely the case. A lot of disabled clients told me they don't want to talk to the care-givers all that much, they just want their drink/toilet break/pen they dropped etc. They have friends and family and don't feel lonely. The complaint about loneliness is coming from the care-givers. For elderly people, it may be different though, but I found that very interesting.
But it does require to build a robot that can do a lot of things, which is not a minimal thing to do.
Things get expensive and complex when robot arms get involved, which do give you lots of capabilities in return. Arms and mobility make the difference between a smart speaker like Alexa and a robot.
From my experience, healthcare usually comes down to figuring out who is willing to pay for it (insurer, user, govt, etc.) and less so about the tech. You are right that the tech doesn’t need to be fancy but funding model is usually the bit needed to be fixed.
A buddy of mine is successfully taking took a smart baby mat to market (so far anyway)
Is there still animo for this? I would love to invest in elderly care technology, especially AI for Alzheimers.
Would this still be possible, or is it a big company (Philips?) thing now?
I don't know any companies that focus on Alzheimers, but there is a bunch of medical robot tech companies around here, eg. http://microsure.nl/ that do micro-surgery and http://www.preceyes.nl/ that make eye-surgery robots. A
There's Health Valley (https://www.healthvalley.nl/welcome-to-health-valley), that may know some companies that do focus on Alzheimers more.
I started a company to leverage an order taking and customer management system I’d built for a friend’s b2b outside sales company. Before, they were managing everything with excel spreadsheets on a shared drive and it was a mess. After, everything was in a php application that could set up a recurring credit card transaction within a few clicks. It used AJAX (in 2004, before responsive forms took off) to take different form inputs.
I rode that one client pony for too long. Managed to get a second client, but I hadn’t worked out a good pricing strategy. I needed to offer the program publicly, but we were too busy doing feature development for our two clients to develop features for multi tenant. I was bad at the administrative aspects of running the company, so I inadvertently ran up a bunch of bills. I wasn’t keeping my sales funnel full or dedicating much time to finding new clients and calling on them. The whole thing went crashing down when my clients decided that they didn’t want to have 100% dependence on my company anymore and per our contract paid a one time lump sum for a copy of the software. Still wasn’t enough to fill the holes the bills had left.
I could have been SalesForce if I hadn’t been an arrogant 24 year old who couldn’t learn from other people, but instead I ended up in about $50k of personal debt.
I can see how you’d be temporarily without money, but not sure how they’d take away all income.
I had thought I needed to develop a multitenant feature set in order to sell to more people with a subscription, but I was probably incorrect on that (in hindsight).
The bigger issue was that I didn’t know how to plan for anything like that. I was essentially in reactive mode and got way behind.
Did you overcome that and learn from the mistakes? No offence, but to be honest you saying "I could have been SalesForce" makes it seem like you're still working on the arrogance part.
I’m still a bit arrogant and aggressive in my approach to solving problems, but it’s tempered somewhat by experience.
1. You got to work closely with 2 highly engaged customers. The value of the product development research you did with them is probably worth more than your debt, if you ever decide to build something similar again.
2. You actually built something they wanted and were willing to pay a huge lump sum for. Many startups never get to this point. You now know you have the ability to create something highly valuable. Don’t take the confidence that comes from that for granted. It’s worth more than $50k in the startup world, in my opinion.
I’m curious, knowing you’d created something valuable at the time, did you continue to try to sell it in the years after the 2 original companies left you?
I learned a few things, much of you hear already but is worth repeating :
* The MVP thing is real. I had a competitor that regularly released simple things that barely worked - while I continued to polished my project. By the time I'd finished the competitors stuff was all over the internet few a year or two and no one was really interested in my product. Plus by then the dotcom boom was pretty much starting to bust - I was way too late.
* Developing software is the easy part. I figured when I was done people would be lining up which is of course naive. Selling and support is harder and takes more time and effort than writing code.
* Writing software for developers sucks. No one wants to pay for anything as there is usually a cheaper way of doing it. The exceptions being big firms that really don't like small independents. Its better to write software to solve real problems - not software problems.
Quoteworthy.
So is this.
We built a software platform that intended to automate the job of market researchers. Those researchers we hoped to replace ended up finding the tool itself useful. Since the platform didn't replace the employees, our pricing model fell short. In the end, we found success by hiring our own market researchers and effectively pivoting into a software-driven consultancy. Profitability came slow and steady.
After months of profitable growth, things changed on a dime. Our lead investor effectively unseated the CEO one day, and made the statement that we were doubling down on the original SaaS vision. Within a month our 100 person company had been reduced to around 60. The now-unneeded consulting staff were recipients of strategic layoffs. Revenue dropped overnight.
The morale of the company also fell off a cliff. The C's lost their ability to cheer up the team and the senior staff saw the holes in the boat and promptly abandoned ship. The company folded about 1.5 years later for a fraction of the initial investment.
My learning in all of this: the tales you hear about the "bad VC"s are occasionally very real. Make sure when bringing on investors that they align philosophically with your founders' vision. Make sure that philosophy is deeper than "we want to make that cash". Great investors i've worked with since can be an immeasurable resource in so many ways. It is absolutely critical that founders be excellent in their courting of valued investors. Similarly, they must be ruthless in their rejection of the bad ones, however sweet the check may appear.
After 2 months of not paying myself or any other employees, the COO and I drainked the remainder of the US account and paid out as much of what was owed as we could to the employees before helping them find jobs elsewhere. I didn’t get any of the money I was owed and was facing pretty bad debt, but the experience was enough of a resume boost that I didn’t have a problem making it up in my signing bonus.
What I learned is that a title doesn’t grant you any control, and that if someone can’t be transparent with their inner circle of friends and colleagues (in this case cofounders), then they have no business leading a company.
Also leaned to not fuck with the cartels.
Armored cars and armed security are nice and all, but being in a situation that necessitates riding in an armored car and armed security detail is not really fun.
Oh come on, you can’t leave us hanging like that! This is the beginning of the best story in the thread. How did the cartel connection form? Was your contact named Estefan? Did he have a mild accent and project an aura of power?
“Bad decisions make good stories!”
With that goal in mind, we were targeting areas in Mexico that needed the most help. Cities with a decent small business sector, looking to grow, and having difficulty doing so. Juarez was a perfect fit, especially given that a lot of citizens have been across the border and can see how much better things can be. My parents were not amused. Then the movie Sicario came out soon after, and they were somehow less amused. But I got to ride around in armored vehicles with a security detail, so that was fun.
Really my "learned not to fuck with the cartels" lesson came from our market research. This may surprise you, but the banks in Mexico are... sketchy. Well, not all of them, but definitely a few. In particular, we were in a competing market as Banco Azteca. It appears to have since been removed, but at the time, the Banco Azteca wikipedia page described it as having "a uniquely effective debt collection system" or something like that.
Yeah, what they actually have is a motorcycle gang. They give you a loan with massive, often times impossible to pay off interest rates, and if you don't pay them back, motorcycle dudes with bats show up to collect, or take enough of your property to make up the difference.
A lot of citizens also (understandably) don't trust the banks and keep most of their money at home. As a result, there's very little data available to make credit determinations on, since you can't even use most people's record of good standing with their bank accounts, so the process for getting a loan is generally sit in a room with a group of bankers and try to convince them you're a swell guy/gal and won't lose their money. This results in extremely high default rates, because people are good at misrepresenting themselves and lying about their intentions [citation needed].
With such high default rates you only really have two options; improve your credit worthiness determination process somehow, or increase interest rates and have an effective (if unethical) collections process. With some data protection laws making the creditworthiness determination route a legal minefield, most banks in Mexico opted for the latter. Our entire business strategy was to take the other route.
Is this just for anything other than CEO? Or are they always held to the board/investors.
The bigger problem I had with lack of control was when things started to go south. The CEO was never around, so I was the "boss" in the office every day, being the technical and cultural leader of the dev team, who came to be close friends. Once the money stopped coming in, it was really hard emotionally to be the person who needed to convey that to the rest of the company, but without having any real control needed to get them money or real answers.
The CEO came from a very wealthy family, and never had to worry about money. Myself, and most of the employees weren't so lucky, and were pretty new out of college, so didn't have a pile of savings to fall back on. I am not even that upset about never seeing that pay I was owed, it was more just emotionally draining to be seen as an authority figure, but to have absolutely no ability to exact change or get answers when they mattered most.
Startup #1: too hard to believe it could be big. Widely loved consumer website we tried to fund with angel/VC money, and it was too implausible it could ever be a $1b+ company. We needed a non-VC strategy to fund that business but didn't realize that - ran out of gas.
Startup #2: found PMF, business-model fit, high-growth, and had an amazing team. Blown up by a nightmare original founder (I was part of re-founding an existing business) and poor corporate governance. The original founder blew up a Series A and re-cap after the team new team made the company actually work.
What I learned from both is how finicky startups are and why conventional wisdom exists. The more you try to re-invent things that aren't core to the business or fit a square peg into a round hole, the more chances to fail you create.
Don't try to get 1000 things right. Try to get 1 thing right and rely on the wisdom of others to get the other things "close enough" to right to attract talent, capital, time, and attention to the 1 thing you did get right.
I'm in the position of believing I have "1 thing right." I worked in an industry (banking) with a serious software problem and one particular vertical that I'm confident I could build a good product for. I was in a position to evaluate all of the major vendors that would be my competitors, and I'm confident that I could get one particular thing very right. Ths problem is that I have pretty much no idea where to go from there. I've never started a company, I didn't even study business in school. In my career so far I've pretty much done two things: I got very good at that particular aspect of banking, and I taught myself to code and now do it professionally. But I'm so aware of the gap between my own knowledge and the skills required to run a business that I wouldn't really feel confident trying to go get investment money (and wouldn't know how to begin even if I thought I could use it responsibly). I guess what I'm trying to get at is: once you have the one thing, where do you go for help with the thousand?
I don't know what you're asking with the rest of your question.
The main thing is you have to start, get a team to follow you somehow, and get a reference client live and on the record using your software to solve a huge problem. Consider YC or techstars for your first $$$ investors. Some may tell you the negative of working w them but they’re deeply wrong
To get to that point, you have to do a lot of the things bigger companies have to do. Those things just tend to be less complex and you have fewer people to do them. Accounting, sales, engineering, marketing, etc., etc. all exist, to some degree, in a two-person company. At first, you learn to do them yourself. You'll probably suck at them. It's okay. They all have some degree of a feedback loop. If you're open, you'll figure it out. Eventually, with success, you'll hire other people to do them.
From there, you can get access to a great network by doing an incubator as someone else mentioned, or by just getting out there and talking to users (do this day 1). But you're worried about years 2-4 when you haven't even started year 1 yet.
If you want to discuss in more detail, I'm a founder with a product in banking that's been moderately successful. Email's in my profile. Feel free to reach out.
The problem came with the marketing. When I did my due diligence before building the app, it seemed cost per click for ads was around 20 cents per click. 20 cents * 2% conversion rate = $10 cost to acquire customer. My lowball avg. lifetime value of a customer was $18 if customers stayed for 3 months on average. $10 / $18 seemed like a decent ratio, and if I could get the conversion rate up or the churn rate down, it could be a good ratio.
So I set out to build the app, which took about a year and half. But, when I finished the app and went to launch my marketing campaign, I was shocked when I saw the cost per click had skyrocketed to $2 per click, meaning my cost to acquire a customer was $100 with an average lifetime value of $18. My backup marketing plans were content marketing based, with a networking campaign with Mommy bloggers, but this takes a lot more time to scale your customer base than blasting out an ad campaign. This caused me run out of runway with my cash timeline, and so the startup failed.
I learned that its important to not get too heads-down coding your product - its important to review your growth strategy every few months while you build your product, because things can come up that can dramatically affect the speed at which you can grow, and that can jeopardize the whole operation. In my case, if I had noticed the ad costs climbing, I could have started networking with more people earlier, doing more content marketing pre-launch, and slowly increasing the size of my waiting list, or evaluating alternative marketing plans before my runway got so small at the end.
In my case, I wouldn't have been able to quit my job and attempt this startup in the first place if it wasn't for my wife taking that hard job for a couple years - so I felt like it would have been a bad idea to respond to her good deed by taking advantage of her and burning her out so I could have my dream.
Heres a demo if you're interested https://vimeo.com/2221065 The demo doesn't show much of the learning management features but they were also complete.
But the app had memory leaks and I didn't have the cash to pay expensive engineers to fix them. For months and months I tried to fix the problems myself until finally I was given the choice of giving up my business or my wife.
I don't regret choosing my family because we had another daughter before the marriage ended and she wouldn't be alive if I chose to continue with my business instead.
I learned ...
1. I should never have given up. If you don't give up you can't fail. 2. I shouldn't have believed my mentor who said there wasn't a market for my product. A company entered the same market and now they are worth over $1bn. Listen to other people but have faith in yourself. 3. Be careful to choose the right technology. I chose Plone/Zope/Python the same stack that was used by CIA. I thought I was very smart about that but I didn't realise that specialists in this tech would be so difficult and expensive to hire. 4. Don't blame anybody. In the end it was my choice to give up. 5. Everything is as it is meant to be.
I think if you expand the scope of 'failure' to mean your life, as opposed to just the business, then you didn't fail. You were pursuing a strategy that would have led to the failure of your marriage, which is much worse than a failed business. I think you succeeded.
I fell for that once. I'm embarrassed to admit that I thought she was a spy for a couple of minutes until I picked up more context. I'm sure I looked super disappointed for the rest of that conversation.
From the first one I learned two things that are probably still applicable today, and from the second I learned one big thing. In order:
1. If people from outside the tech world end up controlling your software startup, that indicates you are doomed. Pretending otherwise will just make it worse.
2. Great teams are incredibly rare, and if you have the good fortune to be part of one you should really try to keep it together for the next challenge. (We dissipated so hard it was ridiculous... one went into motorcycles, one got a PhD, two floated back to Europe, one became a bartender...)
3. If the founders can not convincingly dogfood their own product, you are doubly doomed. I remember sitting at a table with founders while they tried to think of things they could maybe do with The Product we'd just spent months building, and feeling the rats of doom nibbling at my toes. It had not occurred to me that this was a possibility. Engineers: vet your founders!
With our internal team, we’ve managed to create a killer backend that would do all the hard routing stuff without issues. It was better than Google Maps in most cases!
Now, we just needed the app. We used all our money to pay a third party contractor to make the app, and they failed miserably. We never received a working prototype. We ran out of gas.
The backend still exists, in case anyone wants to give the app a shot. I might release the backend as open source. Ping me if this interests you.
You can email me: michaelv at uber
Where did you hire/find the third party contractor?
Friends of mine, in two separate startups, got burnt badly by those outfits that offer the "native apps for iOS and Android" package for $10K or so.
I talked to some of those "developers" once, when I helped my friend troubleshoot an issue. It was horrible. They were so inept, they couldn't solve a problem if you provided a solution to them (literally -- they failed at copy-pasting).
1. making a _live routing_ app is tougher than it looks
2. our team was really emotionally exhausted after this (the whole process consumed around 2 years) and some key team members needed some time off
But yeah, it could have been possible to make the app ourselves.
What's the backend tech stack?
If you manage to open source your project please stop by our docs repo, would be great to have a real world PostGIS project in our ecosystem list.
I feel like this is an incredibly common software developer turned entrepreneur mistake. Lack of confidence in asking for money leads to a reluctance to put a price tag on the thing you have built.
Bad programming, (me) had just finished college and thought I could lead a team of programmers because I had done an ok prototype that was actually working at a small scale. Given that specs were being defined on the fly then the programming was a mess. To scale it, we brought in programmers hoping it would help but they mostly sat around because we didn't know what we were building. Also, we got subpar programmers because they were cheap. One guy managed to BS his way into a paycheck for 5 months without ever programming a line of code. After he was fired, I found out that that was his specialty, getting hired and getting fired a few months later.
We could not meet deadlines, we could not meet self-defined deadlines so the investor's money stopped.
A lot of useless infighting due to egos, we could not figure out the business but we sure found ways to fight and argue.
I wish we would have been more willing to learn as opposed to being so arrogant by thinking we knew everything. I use it as a warning every time I think I know everything and it brings me back to reality. We lasted 2.5 years. We should have closed shop at 3 months.
This was back at the beginning of the Iraq war. Our main contact told me the US should attack France, as they weren't supporting the invasion. I made the mistake of saying I was glad he was executing policy, not making it.
Oops. They started migrating to another product. Oh well.
Lesson is, if you're going to object to what a customer thinks, do it when its your own company. It's not really fair to make such a choose for everybody at your company. Kind of self indulgent, actually.
And people are entitled to their opinions and my mouthing off didn't change anything. An exercise in futility that only cost us.
Maybe we do, maybe we don't.
Personally, if someone with a large influence on my income says something I find offensive or outright idiotic, I disagree in a polite way that shows that I respect their opinion even if I don't. If I feel that it would really offend them I'm not above lying and pretending that I do.
Sometimes I feel morally conflicted about this, but it's kept me out of trouble.
But if I had expressed an opinion explicitly maybe there'd have been a debate. Probably just should have said "I can't agree with that, but you are entitled to your opinion."
1) Don't spend money and time on things you don't need or will need earliest in a few months from now.
2) Regardless if you have a brand-new idea for a product or try to improve an existing product/process, you need to validate first that you follow the right path. I think a light-weight solution like the idea behing the Design Sprint (http://www.gv.com/sprint/) is a good option. Don't go off and try to build an MVP. You will waste time and money (again). Even for a simple and functional MVP you will need spend lots of time to build a frame around it.
3) If you intend to improve something existing in an industry, come up with something unique about your product first (compared to your competitors). This will help you to get initial traction. Again, you need to validate this particular unique feature before you start building.
My previous startup endeavours failed all because we/I did not follow those rules.
One time we were mostly building away because we thought we know the industry (worked many years in the same space before) and had a lot of wrong assumptions. This combined with wrong spending behavior made everything fail very quickly in the end. From the outside we just copied our competitors and even our product was superior and looked better and gave part of our business customers a much better experience, we did not attract enough customers (as in users), because there was no obvious reason for them to use us vs our competition.
In another attempt I just got too deep into the tech and totally lost focus on what I was actually trying to solve. Lots of wasted time (except for experience).
- I didn't work hard enough.
- I didn't have any previous success or experience.
- I was starting it in a second language I didn't speak well enough.
- I was on my own and had no one to turn to for emotional support.
It's all too easy to read the startup blogs and think "Gee, I should be doing that!" but when the rubber hits the road it's much more difficult than I ever imagined. Lesson learned.
The site is like squarespace but for local shops and businesses. The founders met on an airplane and thought they can make a business. So you had the business CEO with no technical background living in X country and the ruthless CTO with his team in Y country.
I left ship when the CTO cleaned out the bank account and disappeared. The Y country never extradite their citizens or charges them for any international crimes so he got off scott free while the CEO had to "use" his car insurance to get money to keep the business afloat and pay the out-sourced developers. (He set his car on fire to get a payout)
Edit: I guess the lesson is that the founders need a vision and co-operation to make it work. These two basically had a common goal of making money of a fad. Back then the latest craze was to become a market place for other businesses ie. JustEat, SquareSpace etc.
Another would be that the core team better stick together. The founders were separated by hundreds of miles. The business side was in EU while the CTO and the devs where not. This caused communication issues, planning problems and of course money.
I left because of money too I guess. After working 6 months on a "paid" internship which was 50 eu a week I was offered a contract that would give me 0.5% equity, no raise and force me to work full time AND when doing my final year college thesis to be based for something the company can use.
Didn't want to give an off-topic anecdote but thought from my experience seeing what can go wrong for founders of a start-up I would share my experience.
He did a bad job, drove the company into the ground, and we couldn't fire him without major personal issues, so we let the company die. I divested myself before things got really bad, but it was so sad to watch all that work and potential go up in flames.
We should have fired him anyway, but that's how you learn.
My business-oriented startups have been successful. My consumer-oriented one wasn’t (at least as a business), because I thought that people would be willing to pay some amount to save time or get more done. Turns out that even if a user states that an app saves them hours per month, the vast, vast majority won’t spend any amount of their own money for it.
The product got users - some who used it hundreds of times per month - but even among those who said they loved it, they used it constantly, and it saved them hours, very few would pay even ~$35/year.
People are fairly good at valuing other people’s time (as businesses do every day). People are unbelievably awful at valuing their (our!) own time. That’s not anyone’s fault, it’s human nature.
This only comes out as a revealed preference, that is, by asking a happy active user to pay, not asking whether they would pay.
Almost every “consumer” company actually makes most of their revenue from businesses. The exceptions that don’t have millions of free users - like 1Password when it was licensed software and FastMail in its early days - are exactly that: exceptions. Most remain fairly small until or unless they start serving businesses too.
Asking individuals to spend their own money on a software/Web product (rather than a physical object or music/video content) is next to impossible and I wouldn’t do that again. Sell to businesses or find another revenue stream.
Idea being purposefully stay small - keep costs down, so you don't need as many customers to succeed. My gut feeling is there is a sweet spot (likely below $20/year) where it's more of an "impulse buy" rather than a purchase that needs consideration.
Aggressively pursue the simplest version of your idea/product/service. As a very general rule, once you begin building, try to remove more features than you add from the draft concept, until you get to launch. Get rid of ballast, be ruthless with yourself about whether you really need a given feature or aspect of the product. If the dropped features make sense, you can add them back in later, assuming customers actually want them.
Narrowly focus on knocking over that first bowling pin. Do not target too large or wide of a market to begin with. I made variations of this mistake with my first two start-ups. Focus narrow, narrow/small enough to capture a market or substantial market share, then try to knock down more pins. Chris Dixon has an eloquent explanation of this concept (which I borrowed the bowling pin analogy from). [1] Peter Thiel also has various good elaborations of the concept in his book and talks he has given.
Have a customer - ideally multiple - before you build the product. It's the easiest and fastest way to validate that there is some kind of market there before investing your time. Even better if you can get them to put money on the line ahead of launch. It's repeated over and over again, and it's worthy of the reptition, make sure you're really solving a problem that people have.
https://medium.com/startup-lesson-learned/why-i-turned-down-...
I need a higher level of certainty than investors do because my time is more valuable to me than their money is to them. Investors place bets in a portfolio of companies, but I only have one life.
Listen to what your users say, but believe what they do.
From now on, immediate benefit: sell to the user. Long term benefit: sell to the boss.In essence we took control over cash by: 1. raising prices significantly 2. Introducing differentiated product and two tiered pricing 3. Switched product production from prepaid to 45 days AP. ..... N. Restructured relationship with distributors
All these actions produced huge negative working capital. Instead of financing operations at an insane % rate, which technically was killing the business the company paid off all the debts and was spewing cash.
Cash Is King
Killed our runway, which we only found out after we hired an accountant to look into our books and find wenhad an empty gas tank. Since this was still at the f&f funding stage, none of us had the heart to go after him for it.
If you have an official company with official employees (and if either is not true, then well, everything's illegal anyway and your employees are not really employees) the health insurance will be on your toes quite quickly to pay your stuff (as I've experienced firsthand).
The only thing I can think about is having all your staff as unpaid/underpaid interns, but then they're not employees and your exploiting them anyway.
Would love to have some details on this.
Skipping on social security seema to be easier and more common than health care. Health care usually are insurance companies, so any missing payments are likely to be flagged. But atill it is possible to skip for a couple of months.
Social security is wired by the company to the authorities, and they usually take lknger to catch up. Ultimately these cases are found out amd prosecuted.
The main point being, even with universal health care cash stripped or just companies still find ways to not pay up.
I would have to dig a little deeper for some concrete examples and details. Just let me know if it is of any interest.
I hated the very idea of selling something that is not finished so I never validated the product with customers. How could I explain to them how revolutionary will the product be? The only way was to show them. Like the first iPhone.
In fact, I didn't like the "talking to customers" part at all, so I focused on coding visionary product that will sell itself. Everybody liked it but nobody needed it.
If you are serious about networking and do not mind driving to the south bay, you will get a lot more options. Personally I would recommend the following ones.
1. Startup Matchup and Networking Event at Founders Floor (https://www.meetup.com/Silicon-Valley-Startup-Founders/). It is a monthly event and is always on Tuesday evenings at Founders Floor. Try to be there at 6pm so that you can park on streets for free (or stay in your car until 6pm if you arrive early). You should expect to see about 50 to 100 people. They charge $15 and provide dinner. When the event starts, the host will ask everyone to do a self-intro (about 1 minute). This is the part I both like and dislike. I like it because it kind of gives you a chance to know everyone. I dislike it because it can easily take up to 2 hours so that there is not much time left for networking.
2. Monthly Mixer: Find Your Cofounder (https://us.techcode.com/events/2017/2/8/meet-your-co-founder). This is also a monthly event and is always during lunch time on Wednesdays. The good part is you don't need to worry about traffic and it is also free to attend. The bad part is that no food is provided. So be sure to eat something before you go. You should expect to see 30-40 people. The format is similar to the Founders Floor event. Usually it will be around 1:30pm after the intro session is over. You can stay there networking afterwards (that is why you need to eat something before you go!). Parking at TechCode is free.
3. Lifograph SV Networking : find cofounders, investors, developers, growth hackers, freelancers, customers (https://www.lifograph.com/events). This event was once combined with the Founders Floor event. But recently it is moved to Mindrome in Santa Clara. It is very similar to the Founders Floor event and you need to pay to attend. The host, Dea Wilson, is a very charming lady and always makes the event fun to attend. Parking is free.
4. Entrepreneur Mixer and Happy Hour at Sports Page bar near Google (https://www.meetup.com/sventrepreneurs/events/249922641/). This event is also monthly and happens on Tuesdays (5-8am). It could be challenging if you live in Fremont as you need to get there during the rush hour. You don't need to pay to attend the event. But you may feel obliged to buy some drinks in the bar. There will be no host and you are on your own once you step into the backyard of the bar. You just walk around and find people to talk to. Because the bar is open to the public while the event is on, you need to be sure that the person you are approaching is there to network (many Google engineers come out for drink during that hour and may not want to be disturbed by you). The parking lot in front of the bar is rather small. You may want to arrive early.
5. Silicon Valley TGIF Business and Social Networking (https://www.meetup.com/Silicon-Valley-Startup-Idea-to-IPO/ev...). This event is also monthly and happens on Fridays (8pm - 11pm). This event is one of my favorites partly because Bay Area traffic usually clears out after 7:30pm (important for those who live in Fremont). The event is free to attend and there is no fixed agenda or format. You just get into the lobby of Hyatt Regency Santa Clara and look for people with name tags on their chests. Talk to whoever you want to talk to. And there is no hard stop. You can hang out there as long as you like although most people would have left by 11pm. You can park your car for free in the parking lot right in front of the hotel.
6. Founder Hiking Monthly @ Stanford Dish (https://www.meetup.com/sventrepreneurs/events/248758563/). This event used to be at Wunderlich Park. This year they moved it to Stanford Dish. If you are an outdoor person, this event is a good fit for you. Due to the nature of hiking, most likely you will stay with the same person(s) throughout the morning. Although that leads to some in-depth discussion, it does limit the number of people you can interact with.
Other than those mentioned above, there are also a few other networking groups in south bay. I just did a quick search on meetup.com and here is the list (disclaimer: I don't know much about events of those groups; the list is just for your reference).
https://www.meetup.com/106miles/
https://www.meetup.com/Bay-Area-Entrepreneurial-Network/
https://www.meetup.com/Network-After-Work-San-Jose-Business-... https://www.meetup.com/Startup-Saturday-SV/events/253766764/
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So far I only covered the south bay and did not mention a word about San Francisco yet. There are many good networking events in SF and you can easily find them by searching meetup.com. I used to go to SF a lot. But I quit going after a robbery accident on BART as I came back from an event in SF (luckily I was not targeted). Most SF networking events happen at night. It could present challenges if you live in Fremont.
Hope this helps. Good luck!
He had a pretty big savings account and came from a well-off family, so he agreed to front me basically just enough to cover my rent while I worked on the app. We agreed that since he wasn't really contributing much as far as manpower or hours logged, he could help justify his stake in the ownership by contributing monetarily.
After a couple of more months, we had a working, functioning app that was about 80% finished, but we started to butt heads on some ideas and he claimed he was frustrated by the fact that the app wasn't completely finished (even though we had changed scope and redesigned the entire app no less than three times).
He used this as an excuse to renege on our initial 50/50 split idea. Instead of honoring our deal, he opted to claim complete ownership and write me out of the picture.
Another way someone could look at it: He saw the app was starting to come along and was getting actual beta users, and he got $dollar$ signs in his eyes and decided to be greedy.
Both he and I were young and naive at the time, and the whole project had essentially been built on a handshake deal, because we didn't want to spend 10 grand on lawyers and paperwork before we even had a product worth anything.
I had spent a year working on an app, barely making ends meet and living off of credit cards, but because I was trusting and naive, he was basically able to screw me over and walk away with everything. His name was on more of the paperwork and he was the primary signer on the bank account. I could have fought it, but at that point I didn't have the energy or the desire to even work with him any more.
The joke is on him, though. Without me around to actually write the code, he never did manage to finish the last 20% of the app, and here we are almost 10 years later. After all that, he never managed to get the app out of beta, and he never made a penny off it.
The end lesson I learned: Don't invest time and energy in an idea or a partnership if you aren't willing to spend the money up front to lock down the legal aspect, because by the time you have enough traction and money to lock it down, it will be too late!
Money and greed corrupts people. Period. When someone has the possibility of millions of dollars suddenly seem like a real possibility to them, you might be surprised by just how quickly they turn on you!
And honestly, even if that wasn’t the case and I could somehow argue that he didn’t own any of the intellectual property for any of the stuff he helped design (which I seriously doubt I could do), we are talking about code that is ten years old by now.
I could always re-design the basic idea and re-code it from scratch, but that is both time consuming and risky (since it would be difficult to completely separate all of the ideas that he might have owned from the ones I had).
I’m currently making good money as a full time salaried employee at a company that I enjoy working at. I’m afraid that the cut-throat, high stakes appeal of a startup is somewhat lost on me at this point.
I was too dumb and naive to catch on and realize that his verbal agreement was worthless, and I moved forward without ever getting anything explicitly printed out and signed.
For example, it's not uncommon for a CEO to be paid a salary by the very company that they own.
If you're going to fund your company with consulting, make sure you have a very strict rule about how much time you spend consulting. At the end of the day, you need to build product.
Turns out, although tackling the technical side of building a marketplace is not that easy, it is perfectly doable. The real challenge is getting people to use such marketplaces. It takes a lot of non-technical effort to build a marketplace. There's the obvious chicken-egg problem for most marketplaces. It is solvable, but usually requires a lot of capital to attract a lot of people, or the founder should have some sort of secret (being already established as an offline commissioner in a market, having the right connections, having a following and so on) so it is not easy to compete with them.
2 things I learned irrelevant to the business are these:
1) Looking back, I've made some serious mistakes, but I had no idea that these were mistakes at the time. Therefore, I must be making all kinds of mistakes today, which will only become apparent in the future, and that is actually a bit worrisome.
2) Prior to this, I've not experienced 'being a failure' in any sort of activity so strong, and it is not a good feeling.
You can still adapt your pipeline for new uses -- for example Style Transfer ! Or other stuff I have some ideas
Or did you have a different vision/market for it? Aside from, say, novelty photos.
Learned a lot in laser scanning and improved my programming skills tremendously (was CTO and main IT guy after finishing university).
Unfortunately PCs were not so fast as today and there was no help like today with all those APIs available, but only 2 major libraries that helped me to achieve the MVP: OpenCV and PointcloudLibrary.
Two founders - friends. Thought we could work every decision out democratically. Didn't turn out that way - used to fight about almost everything until each of us tried to force our way. And we had enough - that kind of stuff will drain the energy out of you.
a. could not build a good team,
b. co-founder was not 100% committed,
c. picked target market in the geography which I was new to. Although it was my home country, the way to do business and lack of professional network became hindrance.
(Also because 95% of the functionality of the ~$60BOM hardware we spent 12-18 months getting into manufacture could be replicated with new components with a BOM of around $10 by the time we had the product in our hands...)
Startup #2: Born out of my own frustration with startup #1, decided to try and scratch my own itch with CRM software. At this point, it’s just me as my partners all went back to their full time jobs. Money was good and they have families. CRM is hell competitive and even more so with HubSpot in it. Everyone I spoke with had so many needs and I wasn’t able to focus on something pressing. Worked with a startup to build out a roadmap but they were not 100% invested in the product and was just trying to help.
Startup #3: Off the back of a trip to Hong Kong, I came across a very useful concept of having a mobile phone in your hotel. Tried to replicate it but met many roadblocks in terms of getting contacts, scalability of the idea within North America.
Going on startup #4 now, this looks to be a lot more promising after incorporating everything I’ve learned from the previous failed items: - Tech is the least important issue. Usually, you can build the tech. It’s figuring out whether people need it that’s key
- Contacts, network and communication can be quite powerful. Having people who know the domain space in helps to become a great sounding board.
- Go deep with knowledge. Being a startup, you need to have some form of credibility for people to trust you and your company. Previously I had high level expertise but nothing deep enough that says I know the problems you’re solving, mr. customer. Of course you can build up that knowledge but that will take time
- Time is the most precious component. Focus on what matters, validate and think about the tech and optimisation after
For first one, got ditched by the other founders. Lesson learnt, make sure everything is in black.
For Second one - Support, you may have the best product ever and the best implementation team on this side of planet, but the customer support is paramount. We gained too many customers too quickly and our support was stretched thin, hiring new employees to train them on an exotic platform was not easy. Also learnt that product simplification is the key to product design and success. Also, a lot of other reasons, but these were the prime one.
It was well worth the time and would give it another shot someday.
Edit : added some more text
We didn't start selling early enough, and underestimated the amount of time closing our first sale would take. That lead to my business partner taking another job to make ends meet, and not able to meet obligations to our company. Since he was managing the relationships and I was doing the tech, I basically was left trying to manage the relationships from scratch, many of whom weren't interested anymore. I very quickly ran out of money before we could sign a contract.
Lessons (probably too many to list): 1. B2B sales is a lot harder than the tech. Make sure you have the runway to compensate for learning how to sell. 2. Make sure your business partner(s) are as committed as you are. 3. Don't use your own money, or at least have multiple sources of income. 4. Have a good advisor. I feel like if I had someone I could have asked questions to, I would have been more successful, or never would have taken the risk. 5. Probably most importantly, don't look at it as a failure, but a learning experience. I was pretty depressed when everything came crashing down, but I learned later that it was a valuable experience that put me ahead of a lot of other people just due to the sheer amount of work it was.
Lessons: 1. Sales is hard, especially if you have never done it 2. Commitment -- everyone involved should have skin in the game 3. Hardware is hard, even when you don't manufacture it -- refurbishing + firmware modifying ip phones, poe equipment, etc ate into our runway
For those who don't get it, this means : - don't expect anybody to help you more than what he already helped (i.e. past help doesn't imply future help) - someone not as involved as you can become predatorial (for example, by requesting, after years of super nice cooperation, a share of the profits, of the intelectual property, etc.)
- someone who helps your for nothing may hide some agenda
- someone who helps you may realize that what you do together might hurt some of his othe business (and thus starts to undermine your business, not just leaving it)
This is a great point, and brings back so many bad memories. Every phone provisions a little bit differently, and so many settings have unintended side effects. I spent so much runway building a dynamic, generic templating system when we should have just gone to market mostly static coded components customized on the fly.
I coded 6 months before talking to customers. When I finally talked with them, I learned that I built mostly the wrong thing. I spent half a year changing my product to fit their needs. I could have saved about 6 months by talking with people first.
Then I used the wrong sales strategy. I focused on cold emailing, snail mail, and cold calling, which was demoralizing. The pressure of impending failure was too much. I lost nearly all motivation and productivity. After another half year, I ran out of money and gave up. I could have succeeded at sales by consulting with an experienced salesperson in the industry. They would have told me to find out how my target customers buy products like mine: they buy whatever their local IT services company recommends. Then I would have focused my sales effort on the local IT services companies and probably gotten enough sales to take off.
Now it's 5 years later and I'm trying again, with a new business. Wish me luck! :)
TLDR: 1. Talk to potential customers before building anything. 2. When stuck, seek advice from experienced people.
I believe the startup failed because it wasn't anyone's first priority. Every one of the four founders had a day job, even though we all had double digit ownership percentages. I don't recall if we even knew enough to have the stock vest.
So the tech folks worked on the product on weekends and I don't know how much the sales and marketing folks worked.
There were also issues with marketing, distribution and the fact the mobile ecosystem wasn't quite there which made the app painful to use, but I think it might have worked had we been all in (or even one of us had).
RIP homesonphones.com
- People wanted cheaper mobile app analytics, but they wanted a brand they could trust - People wanted a lot of insights, but they would never understand most of the charts
On the whole, products which are used during firefighting are are hard products to sell and differentiate on. Google/Fb/Amazon could build a product with 10% of the feature coverage and yet own the market.
I recently wrote a bunch of things I learned here -> https://ravivyas.com/2018/09/03/mistakes-to-avoid-when-scali...
- Created a b2b app, spend too much time on making it work great, not nearly enough time/effort on marketing it. Found that the people who could understand the technical superiority were not our target market, but just people who estimate technical superiority from marketing. Couldn't and wouldn't compete on that. Then we landed a big client who paid us handsomely to lose our focus and turned us into a non-scalable consultancy business which we sold for an almost symbolic value.
- Used networking to get together a team of 5 researchers/engineers in a hot field. Found funding prospects, but only on the condition that they pay us (slightly below market average), but the equity would be in the single digits (even for me). So this blew up, and a few months later the most promising researchers got jobs at FAMG. I think most $$ potential was lost here (would have been an easy acqui-hire).
Learned:
- The cheaper the price, the cheaper the customers. I took pride in offering great customer service, but spend hours looking into issues for 15$ accounts (would have been cheaper to fire them).
- The smaller the startup, the lower you are prioritized come pay-day. Would be more aggressive in collections/SLA.
- It is not how good your product is, it is how much people are willing to spend for it (how good they perceive it to be). Non-technical people are easier convinced by a sales call, than an impressive demo.
- Learned how to deal with financial stress and to keep a good sleep/workout schedule, else my output drops way too low.
- 15% equity of 0$ is 0$, but you also can't expect the really good people to work for your startup without any potential upside or throwing them a bone. Strike while the iron is hot.
Within a month we had paying customers. We didn't know how to grow the user base as neither my co-founder nor myself knew how to do marketing. After a few months of just adding features we tried finding investors and eventually had to do consulting to pay our bills.
At that point we had an acquisition offer that was way lower than what could have been. Because we were consulting and the product was going nowhere we sold it. It was overall a great experience but the software ended up dying in the hands of the acquirer as they could not find a way to market it either.
But before we got very far, the dotcom bust hit and investor cash dried up. My partner went back to his day job, and I went back and finished my degree.
Lessons learned: market fluctuations can and will kill you. Have an exit strategy. Don't rely on a single coder (me, in this case) especially one who is young and immature. But definitely do it, you won't regret it.
https://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2012/10/the-50-worst-int...
The more important a project is to me, the more stuck I get.
When I am stuck I do not do sales, I do not talk to mentors, I feel sorry for myself, i procrastinate.
Why it was failed :
1. For sales and marketing, I hired my brother who was an MBA and things did not go well at work. He was not giving enough attention and dedication as product required in its initial phase and I was not able to push him hard because of personal relationships. He was about to get married too so he was under pressure to get a fulltime job. 2. Few people were ready to join my organization and they were ready to invest some money too but I was always afraid to give them equity of the company in return. I was in believing that I can run the company from profit I was earning from selling packages. 3. I was not prepared for the scenario when the product is ready to go to the next level.
I learned :
1. I should trust people more and give them chance to involve. 2. Personal relations should stay away when there is work involved. 3. Seed funding could be helpful to give the product a better shape.
Note: product(http://www.legalisor.com) is still running but I am not much active with its development.
As I learned, lawsuits are expensive and you have to prove things that you may not be able to "prove."
"Interviews With Startup Owners, Learn From Their Failures"
On the technical side, we used Rails 5 and followed the Thoughtbot playbook. But neither of us were very experienced in native development, which prevented us from offering many of the bells and whistles that other market offerings provide. If I had to do it all over again I would probably give it a shot with React + Firebase.
Like others have said here, democratically running an equally shared company with friends sounds better on paper than it is. Different personal beliefs and approaches often lead to deadlock. Communication is essential to avoiding resentment. It gets easier with practice, but there was still too much to juggle for us and not enough time, know-how, and motivation.
We still casually hack at the project on the side. My cofounder and his wife swear having the project on his resume landed him his current and very comfy gig. I'm still waiting to see if anything beyond the experience itself comes out of it for me.
Solutions shouldn’t search for problems.
Identify market fit without investing tremendous time and energy. If you have to contort yourself then you haven’t found it.
CEO should sell the product vision above all.
Hire people who are smarter than you, hard working and honest. At any sense of dishonesty or questionable behavior, show them the door.
Know when you’re done and cut bait ASAP.
Also, choose one thing and do it well.
Also, have someone with deep knowledge of the industry you're working in (we didn't, and when we did customer research from people in that industry, it was clear).
This technique is well suited for datasets with insufficient features for machine learning...
Initial tech focus was on finding commonalities within a set of documents, such as by crawling all links on first 10 pages of Google search via their CSE API. Next search optionally increases the pool.
Initial business focus was for marketers, who not only know their pain but are willing to pay to make that pain go away.
Nothing unique about the market... but with Lean Interviews and with 100% hit rate for interest among the 40 highly qualified leads, it seemed like a simple matter of assembling various bits that we had each previously built.
Lessons learned:
Even if a long-time friend commits to joining, has the financial means to contribute several months, owes you the personal favour to do so, etc., etc.-- Don't bank on that.
Like a perfect storm, I had multiple friends who previously committed to assisting, then each suddenly experienced extenuating circumstances preventing them from joining. One would have been our NLP lead-- ouch!
More mundane lessons learned captured in articles:
https://play.org/articles/new-entrepreneur-checklist
https://play.org/articles/introduction-to-natural-language-p... (i.e., unlearning misconceptions about "synonyms" to fully deployed with spaCy.io)
1 - Inability to convert unpaid customers to paid. (And a focus on the wrong vanity metrics)
2 - Poor analytics which caused number 1. (The AI didn’t work)
3 - Weak governance. (Too much money too early, and a paradoxically bad founder/funder relationship)
4 - Excessivr nepotism, side projects and conflicts of interest.
This gave me a checklist to look for in companies I subsequently interviewed at.
Many a situation may lead to this, but lack of cash is the reason. When Leaman Brothers when under, the company had half-a-trillion dollars in assets but it could not convert these assets fast enough into cash to continue its operations.
My finance co-founder and I wanted to make an IoT device for kitchens. I made a prototype with 3D printed parts and an Arduino. My co-founder was going to market and seek investors. While working on the prototype I found out that there were tremendous numbers of edge cases that would make a marketable product far too complex and my co-founder didn't do the things he said he was going to do. So I stopped working on it and me and my co-founder mutually decided to end the project after completing the first prototype.
Two lessons I learned was to make sure to find a co-founder you know can deliver on their promises and to work on something you're really passionate about, not just something you think will make you money.
I've learned a lot, to listen more and to choose wisely, not to spend any money before knowing what it will return to the company and also not to over promise. If I have to do it all over again I would but with the mindset of "I want to change my self first" before thinking about changing the world.
Maintinaing it was pain, backpackers are cheap and I didn’t make any money. It died.
Then I started bewolo.com with some friends. Those friends brought in their friends and I was the only technical guy. My shares were <10% and I had little social life while building it. It was around travel space. Think airbnb for things to do. I got burnt out. Working for a big company and building a startup at some time is really hard. I got burnt and left. Other founders couldn’t run it and it died eventually.
Startups are hard. We only hear about the successes and big IPOs and think I can do it too.
I’m probably going to do it again but this time, try to go full time for at-least an year.
Burned some bridges, but really, who wants flammable bridges anyway.
- I should have opened my mouth 6-12 months earlier and put my foot down regarding my own capabilities. Also, hiring great programmers is really hard.
I'm still trying to work out how to get co-workers and staff to come ask me questions when they need to, I'm unsure if it's because I'm not approachable (I always try to be!) or if they don't recognise that they need to ask a question.
Speak after them to answer within short timeframe, and most importantly follow up to help them, frequently and in the long term, with thei problem they expressed.
I hope it will work for you.
A: Brilliant beloved and trusting visionary founder just didn't have a functioning crazy person detector (which was fortunately why he hired me), but he also unfortunately hired a self-proclaimed "Serial Hacktreprenuer" (I shit you not) as a "game finance expert", who failed to do his job raising money, and whose bizarre behavior and "volatile and erratic work habits" led to battling lawsuits and the failure of the company, who claimed the founder "tried to push him out of the company and committed an "atrocity" by trying to take away" his equity, who called the dispute a "genocide", and who then threatened to publish an "exposé documentary" by tweeting: “Looking for PR professionals to build awareness for “THE INCONVENIENT TRUTH ABOUT WILL”, an exposé documentary, releasing on YouTube 6/2012.”
But they eventually settled the lawsuits, and Will issued a statement officially thanking him for his "tenacious execution" of the company (insert capital punishment joke here), so he never followed through on that threat.
Q: What did you learn?
A: I learned to program iOS and Unity3D, and to stay out of company politics, and to listen to my bullshit detector.
https://venturebeat.com/2011/11/16/will-wright-hivemind/
https://venturebeat.com/2012/06/03/game-pioneer-will-wrights...
https://venturebeat.com/2012/11/01/simcity-pioneer-will-wrig...
http://gamingsession.taterunino.net/2012/06/03/will-wrights-...
And on the other hand it was also a lot of handwaving and vaporware and trendy ideas and creepy social networking and online privacy surrendering and crowd sourcing and user content creating clichés.
The "Serial Hacktreprenuer" had absolutely nothing useful to bring to the table other than the self professed ability to raise money (which he failed at) and a complete lack of shame and honesty (which is very useful in the games industry, and a skill that Will lacked), but no original creative ideas or track record whatsoever.
But he strongly believed he deserved all the rights to all the ideas that Will had been talking about his whole lifetime, and that if Will didn't go through with his deal (which was just misleading talk that he exaggerated), Will might turn around and sell the "Serial Hacktreprenuer's" intellectual property that he presumed he now exclusively "owned" to some other company if Will didn't go through with the deal that the "Serial Hacktreprenuer" (pretended to) make. You know: "genocide".
For example, he was in secret talks to sell the company to Zynga, who actually only wanted to acquihire the company to get Will himself just because he was Will, not because of any ideas or execution plan the "Serial Hacktreprenuer" came up with.
But he didn't consult with Will, who didn't want to drop everything he was doing (including his other companies) to work on the next Cow Clicker [4], and he wasn't honest with Zynga or anyone else. And EA (an investor in Will's other company) was not particularly pleased with the idea of losing Will and their investment to Zynga, either. It was totally untenable along many dimensions.
So many people just want to be the "idea guy" because it's easy and glamorous and means they won't have to do any hard work, since they think their own untested unoriginal ideas are brilliant and unique, and they will be able to simply tell other people what to do all day, then criticize and blame them for not living up to their own brilliant vision if and when they fail.
Will is the opposite of that, but when the "Serial Hacktreprenuer" had a real honest to god "idea guy" in his lap with ideas and experience and a plan of how to execute, but his job was just to raise money around that fact (not auction the idea guy's meat off to the highest bidder like a golden goose), he wanted to throw away all of Will's ideas and experience and substitute his own behind his back without consulting him, instead of trying to sell what he already had. (That's also why SimCity 3000 was delayed for so long, and EA ended up buying Maxis.)
The Venturebeat article [5] and the PDFs of the lawsuits [6] [7] explained and revealed some parts of it pretty well:
>In papers disclosed by Ansari, Ansari said that Hive Mind was in talks to be acquired by or receive an investment from Zynga, the largest social gaming company. That deal reportedly valued Hive Mind at $75 million. The talks took place in November, but nothing ever panned out. By December, Parekh and Wright resigned.
>It was unclear whether Zynga was really serious about buying Hive Mind at a high valuation, or if it simply wanted to hire Wright. Ansari alleges that Wright is trying to sell the Hive Mind ideas again, only through the Stupid Fun Club, as if that entity owned them. He also says Wright is trying to implement the ideas through yet another company, Friendly Gravity.
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXrbqXPnHvE
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXsUetUzXlg
[3] https://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/will-wright-to-produce-r...
[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_Clicker
[5] https://venturebeat.com/2012/06/03/game-pioneer-will-wrights...
[6] https://www.scribd.com/document/95620882/CA-HiveMind-Complai...
[7] https://www.scribd.com/document/95675531/Verified-Complaint#...
Great collection of info you posted about it (and a shame about legal happenings that can hamstring capable people) but I'm even more curious now as to whether there was any code at all written!
Stupid Fun Club StoryMaker Demo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2yEHs_WLzQ
>Demo of the Urban Safari StoryMaker technology, developed for Will Wright's Stupid Fun Club, by Don Hopkins. Originally developed for CurrentTV's Bar Karma TV show, the first online community-developed network television series. Branching collaborative storytelling and voting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_Karma
>MediaWiki front end server. Python back end server. Flash Storymaker client. Geolocated storytelling. Google map overlays. Administrative back-end content management system. MediaWiki integration and embedding. iPad Storymaker application. MapKit integration. Facebook StoryMaker app. Voice synthesizer reading stories. Facebook album import and export. 3D branching story visualization with Unity3D.
MediaGraph Music Navigation with Pie Menus Prototype developed for Will Wright's Stupid Fun Club:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KfeHNIXYUc
>This is a demo of a user interface research prototype that I developed for Will Wright at the Stupid Fun Club. It includes pie menus, an editable map of music interconnected with roads, and cellular automata.
>It uses one kind of nested hierarchical pie menu to build and edit another kind of geographic networked pie menu.
Servitude:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXsUetUzXlg
>Stupid Fun Club's "Servitude" One Minute Movie about Robot Servitude, written by Will Wright. Robot brain and personality simulation programmed by Don Hopkins.
Empathy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXrbqXPnHvE
>Stupid Fun Club's "Empathy" One Minute Movie about Robot Empathy, written by Will Wright. Robot brain and personality simulation programmed by Don Hopkins.
Everything seemed right. We had the right market (Portland, OR), with a beautiful design and great customer experience. We managed to get roughly 100 photographers on board but the customers never came. After a year or so, Picr ended up pivoting to more of a photographer platform than a AirBnb/Thumbtack alternative. Most of the team was let go and only a few devs stayed.
Lesson learned: Building a two sided market is hard.
Anyway we figured it took 2 days of requiring the team to keep the product running, before folks 'got it' and began to use the features fluidly. After that they'd take off. But that's way, way too long a trial and almost nobody would stick it out. Our few successes came from enterprise customers that could control what was running on the team's devices.
#1 If you do not have strong domain expertise in your target market, your co-founder must. If none of your co-founders have strong domain expertise, you are in for a world of pain. It's possible to succeed without someone from the industry onboard (and we almost did) by figuring stuff out for yourself through talking with customers, but not having that person makes things 1000 times harder. Apart from having to spend a lot of time learning the domain, you also miss out on low hanging fruit initial customers / advisors who an industry cofounder would be able to acquire through their network.
#2 This is related to the first point above, but if you can, try to get angel funding from someone from the industry. Our angel was able to put us in touch with several industry players and regulators who were incredibly helpful.
#3 Before you start any venture, you need to sit down with your co-founders and explicitly agree on what the mission of the company is, what everyone's expectations and desires are, and what everyone's responsibilities will be. Take a decent amount of time to do this, put it in writing, and have everyone sign it. In my company we had three people with the title co-founder, all of whom had different ideas about what being a co-founder meant. One co-founder really wanted to be an advisor and never did any work, another co-founder really wanted to just be CTO and didn't really want to deal with non-technical matters, and I was left doing most of the day to day work. We also had 3 different opinions on risk tolerance and persistence. If you can map things out beforehand then you can hold people to your agreement when they aren't pulling their weight.
#4 Be flexible with your team. We had an initial product idea that didn't work out and we needed to pivot. Unfortunately the team that was a decent fit for the first space was not the right team for the second space. Don't be afraid to be honest about what the new requirements are and to let people go if you are still in the early stages and some people can no longer add value.
#5 If a vendor, advisor, or other entity says they will do something for free for you, it means they won't do it. We had 3 entities offer us free services because we were early stage and none of them actually did real work when push came to shove. Demand solid contracts from your vendors and demand to pay them.
#6 Hold off on incorporating until you have to. I spent an inordinate amount of time dealing with incorporation bullshit, tax bullshit, and compliance bullshit when we didn't even have a product and were still doing early stage work. Don't do this. Wait until you are at least ready to start development before you incorporate.
#7 Very few ideas are truly unique. A bunch of people probably failed at what you are about to try to do in the past. Do your research and figure out why they failed. Perhaps even try to reach out to them. I would gladly talk to anyone that asked me for advice or information on the state of the industry / product space.
#8 Get an accountant. There is SO MUCH TAX BULLSHIT and you don't want to be dealing with it yourself.
Ultimately we got unlucky in that our primary venture was in a space that was undergoing tremendous regulatory upheaval which made our product irrelevant, but given the nature of our team and circumstances, I'm not sure we would have had success even had the space not changed rapidly.
I've been in a similar situation where co-founders had different goals. I used to think talking before hand and getting things in writing would have helped. I'm pretty confident now that writing would not have helped. Talking might have except that people hear what they want to hear so they all think they agreed but they all think they agreed to something different
Here's the post I wrote, hope it helps folks: https://medium.com/startup-grind/startup-mortality-what-end-...
I know for most that's obvious for most but apparently not me. :<
Randy's law 248: At the heart of most successful businesses is an irrational consumer.
Makes sense, right? If someone, say, actually believes the earth is flat, despite having access to the Internet, etc they must an imbecile. These are exactly the types of ppl that can easily be separated from their money.
Apologies, Alex Jones, for revealing your business plan. ;>
I am too scared to conclude anything about this lest I cement my mind into hopeless cynicism.
One friend was part-time and did only design because he didn't know how to code. The other friend never did any work at all so I ended up having to do almost everything, which wasn't really that much anyway since we only had a handful of customers.
Eventually one of those customers led to a full time gig so I shut the whole thing down.
There were many lessons but the main lesson was that you cannot rely on a person's word.
Then Facebook announced they had acquired Karma, a gifting company, and planned to integrate them into Facebook as Facebook Gifts.
I immediately pulled the plug on Birthday Dollar, processed the last transaction and shut the whole thing down.
What did I learn? I learned that there's no shame in surrendering without a fight.
Many people would say, e.g. don't deal with large companies because they will drag you along, eat your revenue and then not commit to a sale 12 months later. You will also find plenty of companies who will say that 1 big customer was their route to some early cash and success.
The bottom line with any business success is the CEO/executive team understanding how to take a high level view of the company and fix anything that isn't working!
It would be interesting to see a list of clichés tabulated with the number of failures.
We seemed (well no one knows for sure) to have the best data available (it was an analytics product) over our competitors, but didn't earn enough money with it. I can't blame our sales department as I have zero ideas how to even sell sliced bread, but our customers regularly said they liked our data better than what they got from the competition.
We did spend months improving our tech and even had stuff like geo-based load balancing, multi-DC failover, and a lot more. We prepared for a lot more customers and traffic than we needed to handle in the end. Some of it was warranted, but especially improving our data/algorithms even further was absolutely wasted time. We went from like 90% professional setup to 95%, and went from 99% good algorithms to 99.5% good algorithms, but we should have added more fancy dashboards and better UX. Admittedly, many customers just logged in and grabbed a CSV export, they paid for the data. But a not insignicant amount of customers also said the competition's presentation was a lot better. We never had a dedicated front end person with real design chops (not just being a JS developer), we should have hired one or two.
We also held on too long to old features/products that weren't the current focus but spread our resources too thin. We weren't enough developers/SREs for the workload, that means we either moved too slow or stuff got postponed.
I think we also never fully made the switch from "we'll do some customizations for customers to get them to fully make a commitment" to "this is the SaaS offering, take it or leave", but maybe the market space was also too small for that. It was B2B and the customers weren't something like Small businesses, where you have thousands.
Things that 100% did not matter: permanent overtime, too much vacation time We were a German startup acting within German work conditions, e.g. 40h were the norm (sure there were exceptions when something exploded), we had paid oncall and if you didn't sleep the whole night then you just handed over in the morning and went to sleep.
TLDR: Lack of focus on a single product, not selling to enough customers, did not perform step to lower-maintenance SaaS (worked too much like an agency)
What did I learn: Strong leadership = Strong execution If you can't communicate you can't create.
Back in 2014 I tried to build a product recommendation service based on Reddit subreddits, where I would make money from Amazon referrals. I actually got to the front page of Reddit and Hacker News, but Amazon rejected my referral application, because apparently they don't approve any websites that have a grid layout of products (too similar to amazon.com.) I retried a few times but still couldn't get it approved, so shut the website down.
My first attempt at cofounding startup was a social network for skateboarders: http://hdwr.co. It wasn't a great idea but our team was pretty amazing. We set up a lunch with Tony Hawk (although nothing came of that), and were in talks with The Berrics (a big skateboarding brand) about a partnership, but couldn't work out a deal. In the end we didn't have enough users or growth, and after a few years everyone got bored and we shut it down. Never made a single dollar.
I had an idea for a mobile game that I thought would be fun: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/boops-boops-swoops/id1128234... It had an "AR" mode, a few years before that became a big thing. Anyway, I executed poorly and the game sucked. It just wasn't very fun, and I didn't make any sales. I learned that I'm not very good at making games, and even good games are a lottery ticket.
Second game: https://sudoblock.com I had a lot of fun building SudoBlock, and it was really good to learn React Native. It was awesome to build a single app that could run on Android, iOS, Windows, and web. I posted it on Reddit and tried some other marketing things, and I earned a total of $30 from in-app purchases. I learned that I'm still not very good at making games. I think the execution was a tiny bit better than my earlier game, but still pretty bad. And the game just wasn't very fun or addictive. If I ever do another game, I should probably hire a designer. But I probably won't, because I enjoy doing everything myself, even if it sucks. And maybe I'll get better at it eventually.
My current project is FormAPI (https://formapi.io), which is a B2B SaaS service that I've bootstrapped. I launched about 11 months ago, and I'm not really comfortable with disclosing the revenue, but it's doing really well. I'm excited to keep working on it for the next few years and seeing what happens.
He promised meetings with execs and experts in the sector, and expert advice. We split equity 50/50. After three months, we had an MVP that customers loved, a contract with a large client, and several interested angels.
Unfortunately the co-founder hadn't delivered on anything (all business meetings were from cold calls, I had to learn all domain expertise on my own, my co-founder was spending no time at all on the company and kept promising to do things that he didn't end up doing).
After trying to get him to execute what he said he would do with a positive attitude for three months, he called me and told me he "didn't want me to make him feel like he wasn't doing enough". If he was a stranger I would have found a way to kick him out. But to preserve family relationships we killed the company.
TLDR: people in your family with great jobs don't make for good co-founders
The main guy, a PhD in Physics from a top university in europe (but a retard IRL), will be cleaning sewers until death comes.
True story.
edit: i was the founder and they were clients in a bootstrapping program involving a top 10 tech giant and a hospital
What does this mean? Is this a prison punishment?
good thing the laws against unpaid interns, hiring discrimination, and interview homework all have toothless penalties
Back in 2010 I joined the founding team to build a crowd-sourced video editing platform with the goal of getting people to edit their countless hours of home movie footage into short clips they will actually watch instead of them sit on a tape or hard drive somewhere.
We built the whole platform, had the economics all worked out. Did a number of innovative things like connect to a royalty free music API, and Dropbox's API before that was ever released to the public.
In the end it failed because the average consumer did not have fast enough internet in 2010. Most people simply could not upload their files to us, even after we implemented a dropbox integration. Gigs of video files just took too long and people lost interest.
In hindsight, we should have seen that coming and started out by partnering with a digitization service that could handle various formats like tapes, and we should have also done some form of shipping raw media so that consumers wouldn't have to upload files to us. I think we would have succeeded in that case.
It's really all about the humans. I started a UAV company with some friends about 12 years ago, and we had a very ambitious initial project: an amphibious drone. I had gone to work right after graduating, while my friends had studied some more, so that when we started the company, with my 2 years of work experience, I was the most experienced one around. Needless to say, the original plan didn't work, and it was all about the team not being good enough.
We raised over a million, paid ourselves shit salaries (ie less than minimum wage), and managed to survive 3 years. After year two, a couple of the co-founders were given the boot for gross negligence (burning over 100k through sending the wrong plans to production..), and a pivot happened. It started working, then an accident happened and no money was left to recover from it.
It could seem that a bit more money could have saved the day, as in the third year we finally were onto something which we could do and for which there was a market fit. But the pivot only happened because the team changed. The remaining members of the team, notably the flight test / composite manufacturing team, were very competent, but I suspect they were just spent after 3 years of startup purgatory. So, when it seemed like we might survive a bit longer, they decided to just kill any such possibility and finally be able to walk away. The other co-founder that was left let it happen and just folded, going so far as to forbid me in writing to try anything further to sell our assets or save the company.
It was very hard realizing that my co-founder friends, some of whom I thought of as brothers, had behaved the way they did. It is heartbreaking to see people you trust be negligent and ruin the efforts made by others, and betray the trust of the people who had trusted a bunch of 20-somethings with a big pile of money.
I'm not blameless either. I should have reacted much earlier to the lack of professional standards of some of my colleagues, and either left or asked for them to leave. Friendship made me blind, and way too trusting. I should also have tried to raise more money when we pivoted, and focused a little less on product and business development, but I couldn't see that at the time.
Startup A: We built custom analysis software, a 1.5 million line-of-code C++ codebase with 2 major products.
Head count: 20
Reasons we failed (IMHO) - in order of importance
1) Heavily saddled with tech debt. 1.5 million lines of C++ code is not an asset. When we started Web technologies were simply not able to provide the kind of functionality we were offering. So we kept doubling down on the thick-client software. When the web finally started to catch up, we had the wrong skill sets in the wrong places to pivot the tech without rebooting the entire company. We hit a weird technology gap where thick client software was on the way out, but web tech wasn't quite up to par for most of our existence. Near the end it web tech stacks were probably good enough, but we ended up going down the wrong path.
2) When we did try to start over with a clean code-base our tech skills couldn't move to the kind of technology that was becoming fashionable in enterprises. So we built another desktop client very quickly in C#. It worked well, but it was like selling a different kind of horse in the age of the car.
3) Absolutely terrible sales staff. I learned more about how important sales teams are from this ride than from any other experience. Nearly 90% of the sales came from word of mouth, and the rest from a couple of us tech guys bird dogging it out on the street. 4 successive sales guys produced $0 of sales over 6 years. To make matters worse, none of them were ever able to gain enough proficiency with the software to sell it themselves, they always had to pull along a "sales engineer" to demo. Total mess, and it's made me pay much more attention to corporate sales apparati over the years.
4) Funding funding funding. Our total VC investment was too small, and our executive team too inexperienced to realize this. We easily needed 10-20x the investment to make it work, hire good staff, pivot to better tech stacks and approach the market correctly. When we started the VCs claimed that we'd be the next unicorn, the money never added up to make that claim makes sense.
Result: I rode the ship down because I was learning so much on the way. The people were good to work with so it made it worth it. Everybody ended up in good jobs elsewhere and we're almost all in senior or executive positions, applying the lessons we learned.
Startup B: Web-based analysis software (I can learn!)
Head Count: 60
1) Absolutely dishonest, immature, corporate leadership who couldn't work together to operate an elevator. Treated key employees like garbage and ignored the rest. It was like middle-school.
2) The bad behavior extended to customers, who were often put against each other by the CEO in a web of deceit. Hard to explain, but very bad behavior.
3) Tech looked awesome, the back-end was rubbish because the engineering team was incredibly poorly run. I mean like builds completely breaking every day, completely unscalable critical architecture components, senior engineers insisting pet projects be included.
Result: I fled like a deer stampede in a wildfire. The company closed shop not too long after I left and the CEO and some of the senior C-level staff have disappeared from the face of the Earth. If they're doing something, it's not public in any way these days.
Running out of money. We were bootstrapped, and the style of work we were doing had some decent capital costs. We failed for a "bargain" (less than 7K), but we had cut to the bone and deeper while trying that. Side jobs to make rent just increased stress and distracted from the business.
Why did we run out of money?
Focused on engineering instead of sales and marketing. Manually spinning up servers would've been the right thing to do--since we instead were both technical we solved technical problems and kinda missed the people side of things. It was real and hard work, but it was not work that was relevant to making sales.
After we ran out of money, why didn't we keep at it?
Stress blocked further work. Too much stress led to neither founder being able to even think about the company and its business without severe anxiety. Times were dark and bad.
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I learned that you want to prioritize the money funnel over literally every other thing that you as an engineer think matters. Coffee is for closers.
I learned to try out only with other people's money. Don't put your rent and basic living on the line for an idea if you aren't comfortable with what that can entail.
Probably most importantly, I learned that the glorification of the startup lifestyle is a lie perpetuated by people seeking to make money from it at all levels. Nowadays, even the glorification of failure and celebration of mental health seems to be by people looking to advertise their businesses, cure-alls, or just get internet famous.
It's rotten to its bloody core, and unlike finance doesn't even pay well.
This I would say is my main learning point. My first startup failed because of inexperience and team implosion following incapability of generating revenue fast enough on one side, and attract favorable investment on the other. Failure could have been lighter on both me and the other members of the team, was it not for a self-immolation mindset probably driven by glorification of "startup lifestyle". Things fail. Most of the time. Assume failure. Optimize for resiliency. Never expect success as the natural outcome, but rather consider it will come collaterally to continuous reaction to ugly realities, and damn slowly. You can stumble upon a rocket ship, but it is not how businesses usually get to come to life.
Printed and stuck on my desk. Thank you very much for this well-said wisdom.
It got so bad that he was taking money from company account paying for drugs. Eventually arrested, lawsuits followed and now he's sitting in jail. Just a genius that couldn't control himself...
This and mental issues are some of the darker sides of startups that are not discussed a lot.
I learned that I'm not the leader I thought I was.
- Canadian business. Means US B2B enterprise checks get stopped at the border for 3 weeks while they 'investigate'. Makes your last mile enterprise sale that much harder. Investors are conservative. Wanted $5-10k MRR before considering angel-level investment, no go until then. Harder to compete against Valley companies.
I learned get the revenue first anyway, the days of bootstrap a free service until funding are harder and harder to come by. Revenue first.
- Problem we were solving was harder than expected (barometer data to weather forecasts). Main product was going to be a weather model but we never made it that far. Data quantity, quality control and user retention were bigger problems preventing us from executing to success. This leads to running out of money.
I learned that hard problems are hard. Your startup doesn't have as many advantages as it thinks it does if the incumbents can copy/do better than you with your "hard problem" solution or if you take too long to build your real MVP.
- Team skills were not right to solve our problems. After company founding and initial pivots we were not left with founders and staff that could solve the problems we now had to solve.
I learned to be careful starting a company with your friends. And that pivoting can have risks like a lack of skill required to complete the pivot.
- Probably the final item would be despair. When things get bad there is almost no way to come back because you've lost the trust of the people who were holding up your fragile startup to begin with.
I learned to know when to quit before driving things into the ground and taking your team with you.
- One more item: If you can catch it before you start a startup, it's a good idea to really make sure your hobby project shouldn't just stay a hobby project. Maybe it has some organic growth and media attention - but that doesn't mean it should be a startup.
I learned to keep my job and my hobby separate. I'm employed with a day job now and I can do phone weather experiments in my free time with a hobby [1], not trying to shoehorn some idea of a startup into an otherwise neat and successful hobby.
[1] Labelling photos of the sky as a training dataset into machine learning classifiers for auto-labelling of weather data in photos is a hobby - not a startup: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.allclearwe...