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ProtonMail is a joke. It doesn't report security vulnerabilities to the users, when researchers discover them[1]. It publicly boasts about hacking a phishing site, when claims the journalist's report is based on "unsubstantiated rumors"[2]. It outsources a free VPN service to a data mining company[3], when claims it used it only as "an office space provider"[4].

[1] https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/07/protonmail_fail_jav...

[2] https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/qvvke7/email-prov...

[3] http://litigation.maxval-ip.com/Litigation/DetailView?CaseID...

[4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17775554

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I hadn't seen that. I'll need to look into things more after reading this: http://vpnscam.com/tesonet-data-mining-company-owns-nordvpn-...

It's true, that Tesonet operates both, NordVPN and ProtonVPN, but it's not true, that Tesonet has any ownership of ProtonMail, as far as I'm aware of. ProtonVPN seems to be a partnership between ProtonMail and Tesonet.

No, that is not correct, and for some reason, you post this misinformation in every single topic about ProtonMail. It seems likely you are affiliated with the people who are putting out these false statements in the first place.

We have previously responded to these claims here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonVPN/comments/8ww4h2/protonvpn...

> We have previously responded to these claims here:

And I already responded to your denial here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17789334

You are a shady company at best.

A lot of inaccuracies in that reply. PIA troll (maybe also you, the same person, given the similarities) also made a nearly identical reply in the Reddit thread we linked previously, which we also replied to: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonVPN/comments/8ww4h2/protonvpn...

I will just leave it here, so that we would be done with this "PIA trolls" conspiracy theory for once and for all:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17775554

Hmm, looks like you locked that thread. That looks suspiciously like there was some information you didn't want to get out. After all, trolls spamming will just get downvoted.

What's a better alternative?

I personally prefer tutanota

Mailbox.org and Posteo.de are currently the best ranked privacy-focused email providers[1]. Both are based in Berlin, and are extremely low-profile. Mailbox.org supports custom domains, Posteo.de doesn't.

[1] https://dismail.de/serverlist.html

I use Gandi's email service because they offer you a mailbox when you buy a domain from them (and you use your domain of course). It is based in France (9 eyes).

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