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> Meanwhile in the developed world: TGV takes 2 hours from Lyon to Paris, google maps claims a car takes 4 hours.

Yeah. But try going anywhere around Lyon[0] after the nice TGV trip from Paris[0] and welcome to connection hell.

[0] Or any other TGV connected cities.

What is the problem? Lyon has a fully developed system of trams and subways. It's directly connected to the TGV train station.

http://www.tcl.fr/var/tcl/storage/original/application/b8cb6...

> Yeah. But try going anywhere around Lyon[0] after the nice TGV trip from Paris[0] and welcome to connection hell.

Public transportations are often quite good in European cities. When I was in college, it tooked me sligtly more than 3 hours door to door to go from my parents home in a Paris suburb to my University dorm in Lyon. It's not so bad for a trip of nearly 450km.

People, french people.

I love traveling by train, especially in quiet high speed ones such as TGV, Thalys or ICE.

However half the year I am regularly traveling through France for work from one city to another. I love the train, I enjoy it much better than air travel but the time and the stress lost due to running around with a carriage trying to decipher the connections that's going to take me to the tech zoning is... well stressful and time consuming.

I stand by my point: train station to train station is nice but door-to-door ? That's a much less smoother ride.

Really? We got the TER from Lyon to Saint Etienne last year, connecting out of a TGV. It was fine, and more reliable than the jam-prone parallel road.

The central train station sits right on top of a metro station, a tram line (for longer-distance), and several bus lines. "Connection hell" is not how I would describe the process of switching from one to the other in European city centers.

What about? I’ve made the trip many times. There was nothing hellish about it. Same for Sens, Lille, Montpellier, and Nice.

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